Do you guys really believe Ali is goat

Just was watchin some Ali films. God he was fast.

 

Ali was/is overated. Loved by every sports fan whether black white pink or green to the point he could do no wrong.. Theres a number of heavies imo that beat him

 

George is stronger than Lennox.

He hits harder.

He has a better chin.


Interestingly, I have them at 3 and 4 on my all-time HW list.

I usually have Lennox at 3 and George at 4, on account of resume.

But best for best, h2h ?

That order would be reversed.

 

I believe Ali is the greatest heavyweight ever. He seriously was so dam quick in the ring, footwork great, hand speed was great, reflexes out of this bloody world and so much will power also he did have a very good chin. We all know he beat some of the best heavyweight ever, but to do it out of his prime is a great achievement.

 

I don't think foreman had a better right hand than Lewis. Foreman was a clubbing puncher imo where as Lewis switched ya lights out. Only my opinion though. Who's your no 1 h2h ?

 

Ali.

Both h2h and resume.

 

Big George shut Moorers lights out with a punch that had faaaaar from his everything on it.

And he lifted the hapless Joe clean into the air.

His power was deceptive.

 

It wasn't legitimate because Ali went down? Or you going to use the old ''he stepped on his toe'' excuse?

And I said the times he was knocked down they were preceded by body shots. Frazier was all over his body before delivering that devastating left hook.

I have no doubt Chisora would have posed Ali problems. Remember this is a man who had to cheat against a high level journeyman such as Henry Cooper and needing a premature stoppage gift against the bum Sonny Banks

I have no doubt the top heavyweights of today would have bounced Ali's head off the canvas and made him bleed!

P.S - The reason why ATG's are brought into the equation because the thread topic is about Ali being an GOAT which means he would have to be greater than than those who preceded before him, which we all know is nonsense.

 

lol. Frazier was never lifted in to the air. Its never happened ever in boxing mate because its physically impossible. Its an exaggeration that's used so much describing that fight that people believe it

 

Moorer didn't have the best chin though. If there was ever a fighter Foreman had a chance with at his age it was moorer

 

Except when the computer fight was produced, there were several different endings shot, with a selected film being shown in different locations (if the film were shown in the Deep South, Marciano would win by KO; If the film was shown in Africa, Ali would win by KO; in Britain, Ali would win by cuts stoppage etc).

 

Not the Greatest of All Time--that would be Sugar Ray Robinson--and not the greatest heavyweight of all time, either. Ali could not block a left hook, by his own admission, until his fight with Foreman in 1974. A fighter who cannot block a left hook will lose to a left hook machine and Joe Frazier was a left hook machine. Ali lost to a one-armed brawler on the Night of the Left Hook--March 8, 1971. If Joe Frazier had a right hand like Dempsey, Joe Louis or Marciano, Ali would not have lasted eight rounds. Frazier failed to follow up his left hooks with right uppercuts; note that whenever Marciano landed lead left hooks, he threw a right hand immediately, and would not stop throwing power punch combinations. Ali also clinched a ton more than other great heavyweights and got away with it, he would have lost at least four more fights if points had been taken away for his constant clinching and grabbing the back of his opponent's neck and holding on. Ali lost to shorter, smaller fighters, like Frazier and Leon Spinks. Dempsey would have destroyed the fighters that Ali lost to, and Joe Louis would have also KOed the fighters that Ali lost to. Ali had a lot of trouble with Doug Jones, a counterpuncher who was able to time Ali and give him fits. Ali was knocked out by Henry Cooper, saved by the bell and Angelo Dundee admitted that he cut Ali's glove, to keep Ali in the fight. If you're the greatest of all time, you don't get beat by a one-armed fighter who has only one good knockout punch, you don't get beat by Spinks, you don't lose to Ken Norton and you don't need your trainer to cut your glove to keep you in a fight. Note that Marciano dropped Ali with an uppercut to the body in Miami in 1969 when Marciano was 45 years old, fourteen years since he'd last stepped into a ring, and weighed 201. I hated the Vietnam War too, it was a colossal mistake by the American government and we never should have backed the French coming back to power in Indochina in the fall of 1945. The only people who wanted the French back in Vietnam were the French. That doesn't change the fact that Ali lost to fighters who would have been destroyed by other heavyweights and that Ali never learned how to block a left hook until the Foreman fight. A smart brawler beats the fastest counterpuncher--see Marciano-Walcott 1&2, see Duran-Leonard 1, see Ali-Frazier 1--and that was Ali's weakness--he could not brawl and he could not handle intense, constant in-fighting. I was trained in guerrilla warfare by Vietnam veterans, when I was a Marine infantryman, and their lessons kept me alive in later years, when I was a mercenary. Some of them were boxers, and as anyone who has been at war knows, there are certain things about war that relate to boxing--feint, feint, get your enemy looking the other way, strike and move, keep moving--fight and move, move and fight. But nobody ever won a street fight throwing jabs. When a 45 year old man who hasn't stepped into the ring for over a decade can drop you with a body punch, you're not the greatest of all time.

 

True story! This was in a Dr. Ferdie Pacheco book I read called 'The 12 Greatest Rounds Of Boxing'. The Fight Doc was actually there when the computer fight was being filmed, and also recalled that when Ali and Marciano were filming the computer fight sequences and different endings, the punches were supposed to be pulled; but Marciano kept getting carried away and crunching Ali with real and errant body shots, apologising each time. This reached a point whereby Ali said to Marciano the effect of, "Rock, we're only supposed to be acting. If you don't quit with those body punches I'm going to have to open up on you with my jab for real!"

 

Guess he wanted to get some shots in on the butterfly knowing he wouldnt be stung like a bee.