Do you now agree that Usyk is a boxing great? How great is he, and how is he great?

Exactly and that's great company
Lol at goat

 

He's really good. I don't think he's up there with the top but that's a failure of his era not on him. Head to head I got him beating lots of top heavyweights like Foreman and Holmes.

 

Greatest European fighter of the modern era in my opinion.. Calzaghe, Michalkzewski, Beterbiev, Wladimir... he tops them for me. Both he & Lomachenko do in fact... Brilliant ambassadors of the sweet science both.

 

Usyk's achievements are amazing, his greatness is up there with the very best.

 

All these posts about GOAT, P4P, ...

It's all conjecture and fantasy.

Maybe fun to talk about but basically meaningless as there's no way to prove any of it.

 

Fair enough. I usually don't participate in these kind of threads.

We've had a lot of them lately though...and I couldn't contain myself any longer. Lol

For the record, I still think John L Sullivan is the GOAT. Prove me wrong. Nobody can as it's all just conjecture.

I said my piece. I got it off my chest. I'll not rain on the thread any more.

 

I think it needs more time... For us to say he is really great. He is Hall of fame and potential great. Greatness is something fighters get or reach more at the end of a long career. I don't think Andre Ward is never great. Too short a career, and yet the only fighter with a short career in my mind who is great is Sugar Ray Leonard just on opposition. Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler. All different styles and weights but he beat them. It was so impresive, and he changed tactocs and improved to beat each one, beating some like Hearns at this own game. Ward did not come close.

 

This is all conjecture. There is no way to prove if someone is a GOAT or not, it is opinion. Just say that Usyk is one of the greats, that we can all agree on.

 

The lack of volume disqualifies him from the top 20. How can I, in good conscience, have him next to guys like Tony Canzoneri or Mickey Walker who fought over a hundred times?

However, things get interesting from here. Quality of opposition and dominance are my most prized criteria because you will see, while there's been plenty of weight-hopping in boxing's long history, routinely spanking top opposition is the stuff of the creme de la creme. Most trip up. Usyk has yet to. And now here we are, undisputed at the premier division, with virtually no controversy.

I'm not sure people telling my guys like Hagler and Monzon are greater sits well anymore.