Do you rank Povetkin higher than Wilder now?

I'm American you ****ing moron, go troll while Wilder ATM's you somewhere else *****

 

Are you talking to me? I'm a white American, and I love Russia most of my favorite fighters today are Russian/EE. My favorite hockey player is Vladimir Tarasenko a very nice man, and a exceptional goal scorer. USSR! USSR! USSR! CCCP! CCCP! CCCP!

 

Yes, a bunch of handsome mother****ers

 

I would take your post more serious if you could explain how Povetkin pissing dirty is Wilders fault ?!? Also if you say it was a small amount my counter so did Canelo?

 

He bailed on a purse bid just before it went off and then also withdrew once after the fight was announced.

Much of that was to do with Teddy Atlas, the schmuck. And he was super cautiously matched during those couple years too. He went from picking up great wins against Chambers, Byrd, and Donald to then fighting Jason Estrada, Leo Nolan, Javier Mora, and Teke Oruh. It was somewhat unprecedented. Totally wasted such a big chunk of his prime.

I am among those who rates Povetkin very highly. I think he's underrated as far as being a notable HW when discussing the divisions' history. But only a blind person would say Povetkin was never carefully matched and never avoided a fight.

 

Still a fraud, still glass jawed

 

By resume, it's not close.

The only question is, how much has Pov slipped since prime ?

 

I also rank Holyfield higher than Wilder . Would you give Juiceshua credit for beating him too?

 

Bottom line Povetkin didn't "**** dirty" and your boi jumped the gun...

 

OK, this is very simple.

If a substance enhances performance and is not banned, taking it is legal. It's just as legal to take as multivitamins or a cup of performance - enhancing coffee.

But in actual fact the benefits of meldonium are limited at best.

There's doubt as to whether it does ANYthing:

"“There’s really no evidence that there’s any performance enhancement from meldonium. Zero,” said Don Catlin, a long-time anti-doping expert and the scientific director of the Banned Substances Control Group."
[...]
While acknowledging evidence of meldonium’s performance enhancing effects is “limited,” the study concluded that since the drug was not being used primarily for therapeutic reasons it was “evidently being used with the intention to either improve recovery or enhance performance.”
[...]
“You can find that it has effects, but it’s difficult to link those to performance enhancement,” said Catlin. “I’ve tried and tried to figure out why so many athletes seem to be taking it.”
[...]
Grindeks, the company that manufactures Mildronate, says it is not a performance-enhancing drug because it prevents the death of ischemic cells and does not increase performance of normal cells.

In guidance issued after the drug was banned, the Finnish Anti-Doping Agency noted there is “little scientific evidence of meldonium being able to enhance athletic performance.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...rts-wada-performance-enhancing-drug/82663156/

The truth is that it may have been "effective" simply through a placebo effect.

I have no problem with athletes taking substances that aid performance so long as those substances are legal.

For instance coffee might be banned again sometime:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nce-list/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e44513be993

Should all those lousy cheating coffee-drinkers feel bad about an espresso before a game? Or should we not tar and feather people for using caffeine to boost performance while it is still legal?

 

Everything you wrote is true there is no proven benefit to Meldonium but it was still banned and Povetkin was clearly taking it for a sporting advantage even if it never actually did give him one. Sharapova did the same thing, she clearly didn't have a heart condition and was banned but that's in a well governed sport like tennis, not boxing where paying a fine to the WBC can make an adverse result become irrelevant.

WADA also bans substances which are being abused as PED's even if there is no proven benefit, because of the dangers to the athletes taking these substances for a possibly non-existent benefit. Fact is Povetkin took a banned substance, it might not have helped him, but if he was willing to do this what else was he taking that didn't come up in the test?

The failed Ostarine test as well doesn't help the idea that Povetkin was clean. I still don't know why he was cleared of that other than he made a 6 figure bribe, I mean fine to the WBC.

 

This - even limited effects are cheating.


good part of the post.

 

This.

The willingness to take it is the issue, not the drug. Once they are willing to cheat, its part of their character. They are cheats. But they do get second chances, everyone does, people can change.

Pov can put his cheating past behind him if he keeps being clean.

 

Well, then there is a problem:

"Caffeine is one of the best-tested ergogenic aids (substances, devices, or practices that enhance an individual's energy use, production, or recovery) and is known to help athletes train harder and longer. Caffeine stimulates the brain and contributes to clearer thinking and greater concentration.

There are more than 74 good studies on the use of caffeine for both endurance exercise and short-term, higher intensity exercise. The vast majority of the studies conclude that caffeine does indeed enhance performance and makes the effort seem easier (by about six percent)."

https://www.active.com/articles/the-facts-about-caffeine-and-athletic-performance

Any athlete that drinks coffee is a dirty cheater.

 

coffee is a PED in your eyes? makes a permanent change like Meldonium does to blood vessels?

ok. Luckily you dont possess medical knowledge nor are part of WADA etc.