Do you rate Darchinyan in the P4P Top 10

It is a pretty bad sign of the times I guess, but on the other side it's all about effectiveness. Mijares and Cotto are both of the talent level to be top 10, and look what happened.

 

Being too eager to promote boxers in the P4P rankings based on a couple of wins leads to problems and the rankings looking like a joke when the guy loses. Jermaine Taylor gets in the top 10 based only on beating Hopkins, Pavlik beats Taylor in his only big win (no, Miranda doesn't count) so, hey, he must be P4P top ten right? So Taylor is dropped like a stone. Pavlik is beaten by Hopkins and is dropped from the rankings, the circle is complete.

IMHO Taylor was never a top 10 P4P fighter, he just had the style to beat the 41 year old version of Hopkins and Pavlik was at most number 9 or 10 for beating Taylor twice. But both got into the higher end of the top 10 on the back of beating one fighter.

 

Thats why its not always accurate to rate a fighter because of how good he looks when throwing those punches and how he slide and glide. Even if you're as brute as a caveman, but keep on winning, shouldnt disqualify you from being a P4P. The sport isnt just about looking good, but its about winning as well

 

He needs one more key win then I will put him in my top ten.

 

to GazOC

That one fighter was considered P4P #1 when Taylor beat him. Even if Taylor just had the right style to beat that version of Hopkins, it still doesn't make sense to not include a man who twice beat a fighter who was regarded as the best going into the bout and then fought on mostly even terms against a top 3-5 P4P in Wright.

 

still unsure, just because he was no where near mine. but a win over montiel of donaire would make him a shoe in for me.

 

I think Mayweather was number 1 when that fight happened? Either way, if Taylor is THAT good why drop him when Pavlik beat him? Every movement in P4P rankings is knee-jerk, Taylor HAS to be in because he beat Hopkins, Pavlik HAS to be in because he beat Taylor (who is now dropped) who beat Hopkins, a fighter doesn't build his way up or slide down. He just beats one guy (who is maybe there on past resume rather than current form) and then he's top 10 P4P, then he loses and he's right back out again.

IMO its dodgy placing new fighters straight into the P4P rankings just because they beat an existing P4P fighter because a lot of the top guys are there (at least partially) beacuse of what they achieved years ago, not how good they are now at the weight they are currently fighting at.

 

Hopkins was still #1 on most lists. He was faded, but he had basically outclassed a good fighter in Eastman in his previous fight, dominating him in the later rounds, and because both bouts were close, Hopkins proved that he wasn't shot so the wins count for something, as does fighting mostly evenly with Wright. It wouldn't make sense to not include him.

I do agree that some of the placing is knee-jerk, but Taylor deserved his place on the list then. His poor showings against Ouma and Spinks and then getting stopped by Pavlik are what dropped him out (it didn't help that there were some people who felt he didn't deserve the decision he got in both Hopkins' fights and the Wright fight also). But yes, some of the placing on P4P lists are too quick and based purely on one win (though I don't believe that fully applies to the Taylor situation for the reasons I stated).

 

Fair enough with Hopkins mate, I'll take your word. As you can probably guess I'm not the biggest fan of P4P lists. It not so much Taylor having beaten the number 1 getting a ranking, that and a couple of mundane defences should have got him to, say number 7 or 8 but then when he loses to Pavlik instead of just admitting Taylor was never that great and his ranking flattered him, they go and install Pavlik in there as well as if to say "well if he could beat Taylor, he must be P4P"...thats where you get the problems IMHO.

 

If Vic is top 10 then where is Donaire? Its not like Donaire beat Vic with 1 lucky punch, Darchinyan was dominated

 

True. I think most P4P lists, including RING Magazine, had already dropped Taylor from his top 10 spot after the Spinks fight, so putting Pavlik in the top 10 after he had to come from behind to stop Taylor was too much too soon as far as placing him amongst the P4P elite, I agree.

 

I don't think so, no. I think this displays how badly nearly almost all of us, including ring magazine overestimated Mijares given the nature of the loss. No doubt ring will knee jerk and include him now.

He should prove himself further, otherwise we have to include Donaire too, who also hasn't done enough.

 

he has credible enough wins... and won them convincingly.. not stealing bouts or leaving any doubt to who the winner was...
lets look at his wins:

at 112:
IBF Champ Pacheco 30-0: 4 year reigning champ... 11th KO
Maldonado 33-0 just drew with Mijares his previous fight KO 8

Moved up to 115:
IBF champ Kirilov never been KOed... KO 5
WBC WBA champ Mijares never been KOed... KO 9

he has to be in there somewhere..

 

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Beat Donaire or Montiel then he gets in my top ten. Those are good wins but he needs one more.