Do you really believe that 168 pounders hit harder then 160 pounders?

I don't think anyone will dispute that Pavlik hits harder than Bute.

except that guy Paulie

 

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Interesting comparisons. A big supermiddle vs. a big middle. Kessler is bigger in the arms, and probably the legs. Pavlik is a bit taller, we have to remember. I don't think there is much in these two. In general you are correct however, an average middleweight is way smaller.

 

I am a huge Pavlik fan, but I can say he is not one of the hardest hitting Middles of all time.
Pavlik does hit hard, but the only guys he has had one shot Knockouts against were all scrubs. Pavlik is one of the most relentlesss middleweights though I believe, much like Hagler at his best Pavlik doesn't stop throwing power shots and never goes backward. KP butters people up and outworks them to the point of KO stoppage.

This Main attributes that will keep Pavlik a champ is his heart, stamina and determination.

 

:rofl atsch

 

Well, some people have better chins than others too. Go to his site and you will see him put down at least a few with one punch. There is at least one where he just lets the right fly. For the most part he still doesn't do that because he is thinking defense and not wanting to be that open. Hard to believe a guy that swings a sledge hammer one handed doesn't have 'murderous power'. At 160 he is still 'bottom heavy' compared to most. I think when he moves up in weight, the weight will be upper body, not legs, so I expect increased power from him.

I have wondered about Taylor taking a knee also. I guess he didn't want to give up the point? If he was even thinking at that point. My guess is he though he could rest his back against the ropes, clam shell and weather the storm. This was new territory for him. Even in the second fight Pavlik made him pay in the 11th when he put his back to the ropes.

 

Hearns hit harder Pavlik does at 160 IMO. Pavlik is more of a concussive puncher.

It's interesting that somebody brought up Marvin Hagler. From the Hagler-Hearns fight, if you combined Hearns' physical attributes with Hagler's aggression and relentlessness...you'd pretty much have Kelly Pavlik.

Not that he's as good as those two (yet) but he's a lanky 1-2 artist with great power whose bread and butter is coming forward and forcing EVERYBODY back.

 

I wouldn't say neither Taylor nor Miranda have granite chins, just good. I even think Miranda's might prove shakey. A true one punch KO artist in the Jackson/Benn/G-man mould could definitely spark them. I'm just saying, Pavlik hasn't really looked like having one punch power.

Starching a can doesn't count. 'Slappy Joe' knocked out a couple of cans with 1 punch. He had a string of first round stoppages. Doesn't make him a puncher does it?

Does it...? :yep

 

What ? This is a very excellent observation

 

Pavlik is enertaining fighter with good power, the man has slow hands, but a great workrate, that makes up for it. I think Pavlik is tough as can be, but his chin does seem less than granite, but then again neither was RJJ's.

Pavlik will have his up's and down throughout his career, and will struggle with the more skilled boxers such as a Calzaghe or maybe even a Dawson, but will knockout most if not all others. I really do believe he would knockout Kessler, but it would be great fight that should get made in the future.

 

:rofl

 

I'm not making my point well. What I am trying to say, is that even if Kelly has one punch power, we won't know because his style does't make use of it. A miss would put him out of position defensively so he shortens up his punches a little to keep his balance and gets his hands back quickly for defense. And like Joe, he is starting to have hand problems, so that one punch has to be perfectly placed or it spells trouble.

The picture of Kessler and Pavlik makes me think of JT and Kelly. Look at the pictures and you just KNOW JT is going to win. I've taken to calling it VANITY WEIGHT because it helps you look good in the photo, but doesn't do **** for you in the ring.

 

I can assure you he doesn't anyway, to put you out of your confusion. All the one punch KO artists I can think of have explosive speed in their punch

Yeah, modern day weigh ins don't mean much outside of the heavyweight division. Unless a guy has obviously killed himself as in Cotto-Malignaggi which is the worst I can remember, no conclusions can be drawn

Joe Calzaghe would be the worst weigh in fighter in history with his skinny little arms. He would have been KTFO round 1 by Lacy and Kessler, and probably everyone else

 

Wow, bad post, crap thread.

 

YES, 168 hit harder then 160 pounders
175 hit harder then 168 ect....

 

Well, the 'theory' on a knockout is that you snap the head so fast that the brain 'sloshes' in the cranial fluid, so that would make sense. Chin may equate to neck muscle, the ability to resist that snapping action.