Do you really believe that Haye can beat Vitali?

Right hand from Haye, but Wlad was leaning backwards + His height. Wlad holds on for like 7-8 seconds.

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That's Wlad's typical panic response until his program reboots. Vitali has no such panic respsonse, he's a fighter.

 

Watch rd. 5, Wlad nearly spun Hayes head around when he stopped moving and got caught.

Yes you are right in a sense, how is Vitali going to catch Haye? But don't forget, if Haye is running around, he isn't throwing punches back either. Haye has pose, set, get his running start to hit a tall target like Wlad and Valuev, same will apply to Vitali. Even if he manages to hit Vitali clean, Vitali has never folded from a shot......Haye will have to land big shots more than once and put punches together. Considering Haye's HW run, that is not likely to happen.

 

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If Only sanders was in a bit better shape...

 

If the question actually is if he can beat Vitaly, then the answer is yes of course... Many heavyweights have the ability to beat him under the right circumstances.

Will he actually win when they fight? Probably not.
At this point it's about 60/40 in old Vit's favor imo, and the bookies have it even wider at this point.

Vitali Klitschko (2/5)
Draw (35)
David Haye (5/2)

 

Coulda shoulda woulda doesn't count in boxing.

 

I posted this in another thread:

"We've all seen that Vitali is very intelligent when fighting smaller, more aggressive fighters, as was evidenced during his brilliant performances against Sam Peter and Chris Arreola. But, we've seen the current WBC Champ get into trouble when he over commits against a fluid fighter who can slip and counter effectively."

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When Vitali fought Corrie Sanders back in 2004 for the WBC Heavyweight title, the South African was able to bait him in and hurt Klitschko with a sharp left hand counter against the ropes. Sanders stunned Vitali in the first round and legitimately had his man hurt in the final moments of the opening stanza.

Sanders didn't have the kind of conditioning to capitalize on his opportunities, but David Haye will. I see Haye implementing a very similar fight plan should he meet Vitali Klitschko in the near future.

David Haye has the same ability to slip and counter effectively. Like Sanders, Haye doesn't telegraph his punches and has the ability to explode with short, compact shots when an opponent misses and leaves himself out of position. Haye should have the same kind of success against Vitali, especially if he can establish his left hand to the body and to the head early in the fight.

Explodes with a 1-2 Combo against John Ruiz:

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All of Haye's opponents know that he has a lethal right hand counter. Against a very intelligent fight like Vitali Klitschko, Haye absolutely must give him something else to focus on during the fight. He has to establish his left hand to the body and head in the form of a jab or hook. Even if he isn't successful in landing the left hand, he has to give Vitali something else to think about.

He needs to use his Jab against Vitali:

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This is where Haye will be more successful than Corrie Sanders. Corrie didn't have anything else in his arsenal that could hurt Vitali. Once Vitali figured out the angle and distance needed to stay away from that deadly left hand of Sanders, the fight was over. There was nothing more that Sanders could do.

 

Great post BE, that's pretty much my thoughts exactly.

There's also the point that Vitali, just by the nature of his defence (less reliant on footwork, more upper body movememt) will be in a better position to capitalise on Haye's wild amateur lunges if he is struggling to land on the bigger man. Whereas Wlad was happy to box behind the jab and get the hell out of there or clinch when Haye throws, Vitali will be in a position to get his own shots off.

 

Horrible comparison.

Vitali doesnt throw his punches with the same power he did in the Byrd fight. Also, he's got nothing to prove. He's not this kid who everyone doubts. And, he learns from his mistakes.

IDK what it is with your hate for Vitali, but either you didnt watch that fight, or your just the world biggest Vitali hating troll.

I am a Byrd fan, but I could only give him the 5th rd, and he was out landed, outthrown, and Vitali was the agressor, and controlled the tempo and the distance.
But Byrd landed a couple solid counters, and for that I gave him the rd. Otherwise it was a shutout like almost all Vitalis fights.:deal

 

From memory, Haye landed something like 2-5 jabs on Wlad in their fight. It was a pathetic output. I don't think a jab from Haye would bother Vitali.

One thing I like about Vitali compared to his brother is that it doesn't seem to bother him when he gets hit hard. Putting aside the short left hand from Sanders in Round 1 of that fight, I haven't really seen much have a great effect on him. Even the Lewis uppercut didn't, some say he was "rocked" by it cos he held on afterward but I feel that was due to tiredness and the fact he was virtually blinded by the cut.

More recently, Chisora landed a few decent shots to his face as did Solis before it all went pear-shaped for him. Yes, Haye has a very hard right hand, but can he land it often enough to finish Vitali?

Could Haye deal with Vitali's right hand when it lands?(which seems to have a different kind of power than Wlad's) plus would Haye see those strange angled punches that Vitali constantly throws?

 

Impressive disregard for an entire post.

 

Margarito was far tougher than Cotto. Who got KOed by Mosley when they fought?

I don't care how tough you are, let an explosive puncher catch you enough times and something's got to give. Vitali's slower than Wlad, more flat footed than Wlad and gives you more opportunities to hit him with something big. Haye has a much better chance here than he ever had against Wlad, and I was saying this even before they fought.

 

Haye might not have one punch KO power, but he has the type of explosiveness in his shots that can stun anyone if he lands. His speed can also catch fighters unawares, which can sometimes have a more debilitating effect on them than a really heavy punch that they can brace for.

Haye can absolutely beat Vitali if he stays on the outside and potshots, providing that he jumps on Vit the moment he has him slightly hurt. He could also potentially cut him with his slashing shots (wouldn't that be history repeating itself!). I doubt he wins a decision that way, since Vitali will be outlanding him and establishing himself probably from the mid rounds onwards if Haye hasn't made a dent by then, but if he can catch Vit early when he still has his wind and the speed difference is vast then that could change the texture of the fight and give him chances later on.

I agree though that I would hate to see Haye win. The amount of gloating and hyperbolic nonsense that would follow in its wake from Haye, his fans and the British media would sicken me. There was enough of that when Williams beat Tyson. This would be ten times worse.

 

Exactly this.