Do you really think midget usyk has a chance against monster fury

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  1. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Is that the list of men Usyk could beat on Fury's resume? Bit harsh he could probably outbox Wlad also. Wilder takes his head clean off though and he knows it.
     
  2. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s a great match of the top two fighters of this era and Usyk certainly is a live dog in this fight with his attributes and skill set and could well pull off the win. For me though Usyk has hardly set the Heavyweight division on fire with his limited amount of fights in the division since moving up,yes he beat Joshua and I always knew he would once the fight was made as Usyk simply had the skills to completely take advantage of all Joshua’s flaws. Thing is with Fury he knows very well how to fight as a big man using every bit of his size and strength as well as his own attributes and skill set. Usyk has imo gone into all his pro fights as the favourite and has never faced any adversity so far in his career which we all know Fury has numerous times and I think this will be the difference. I’m a Fury fan but if Usyk was able to beat him then fair play and all credit to him,as long as we get the fight we expect without any controversy.
     
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  3. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury beats every Heavyweight that Usyk has fought but I’m not so sure Usyk beats Wilder on Fury’s resume,it would be a great fight to see but it will never happen. I honestly think both Usyk and Fury retire after they’ve fought each other win or lose but at some point Fury will make a return where as I doubt Usyk would .
     
  4. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Sometimes a fella's just gotta be movin' on Full Member

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    This is pretty much why I'm backing Usyk. Some folks dismiss stuff like the Cunningham fight as being a long time ago, and yeah, that's true. But it's also been a long time since we saw Fury fight someone even remotely like Usyk. His last few opponents could not be more dissimilar to Usyk's style, so the tactics used against them won't translate as well. So while I think a Fury victory is possible, it's gonna require him breaking out some tools he hasn't used in a long, long time. Also, some folks are worried that Usyk will be aged out, but I don't even consider that in my estimation of how the fight will go. Fury's not a spring chicken either and hasn't taken care of his body nearly as well as Usyk has, which more than evens out the slight youth advantage he has.

    Also worth noting is how the Wallin fight played out. Wallin isn't the same type of fighter as Usyk, nor is he on the same level, but unlike the guys who came after him, he was a southpaw who didn't let Fury completely set the pace of the fight. Fury won that fight clean, but you can also reasonably say Wallin won 2-3 rounds off of him in the first half. You can also give him the final round, which started off with Wallin buzzing him with the last good shot he had in him, and Fury never fully recovered from that, having to cover up, tie up and ride out the clock. I personally think that's owed to the fact that he had to expend so much energy, and that was against a guy who was gassed out for the last five or six rounds. Usyk's tank is much better than Wallin's, so that kinda makes me wonder how Fury will fare at the end of the fight after having to deal with Usyk's pace.

    That said, as a pro, Usyk has never faced a guy like Fury either. He'll easily be the best boxer he fought at Heavyweight, and he has pretty big physical advantages that he knows how to use to their full extent. AJ was able to win 2-3 rounds off of Usyk in each of their fights as well, and I'd say Fury is much better technically and has a better ring IQ than AJ.

    All in all, both guys are probably going to have to employ tactics we've not seen used by them in a long time, if ever, and because they're both plenty capable and intelligent in the ring, there's a good chance this will end up being a close one that can go either way. I'm fully backing Usyk to pull it off though. Hopefully we don't have to wait much longer to see how it unfolds :ggg
     
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  5. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Fury in his 40's sees a useless HW champion then he is coming back to take his scalp without hesitation.
     
  6. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    In fact, all Furyettes talk about it was a long time ago. Which is all the more moronic since:

    1) Wallin was not so long ago and look how that went - a southpaw who couldn't tie Usyk's shoelaces TKOd the ogre.

    2) The fact that "it was a long time ago" only proves why Usyk will batter the ogre. To beat Usyk, you need speed and mobility to follow him around and catch him. And these things are the first to go away with age. Speed and mobility are not something that come with experience - they do the exact opposite. And Fury is significantly slower now than he was against Cunningham. That's why he sits on his punches more Kronk style - because he can't bounce around on his tiptoes anymore. He still looks agile against plodders but Usyk will make him look like Bambi on ice and all the Furyettes will be baffled as to "something is wrong with Tyson, he doesn't move like I thought he would, it must be an injury". While in reality, Usyk is just on another level, always has been. And he is slowing down obviously, as he will turn 37 in a few months. But due to his lifestyle and discipline in eating and training properly he is still much closer to his prime than Fury. There is a big gap in skills and speed/mobility in favour of Usyk and it will shock many people on fight night how dominant he will look when beating Fury.
     
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  7. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Sometimes a fella's just gotta be movin' on Full Member

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    Honestly, while I do think the fight will end up being close due to Fury's physical advantages and his ability to competently use them, if it does end up being a one way traffic affair, I see it being in favor of Usyk more than I do Fury, for the exact reasons we both just laid out. Usyk is older yeah, but he's lived the athletes life to a t, and even an old Usyk has better movement than anyone Fury has ever faced. Fury meanwhile has put his body through the ringer, ballooning up and down, all the while boozing and drugging on top of that. Because of that, if one of the two were to come into the ring having aged over night, I'd say it'll be him. Besides, Fury's been slowing down just a bit too, it's just been a bit less noticeable due to the style of fighters he's taken on in recent years. For example, he dominated Chisora for every second of their fight, but he didn't look quite as fleet of foot as he did even eight months prior against Whyte.

    Still, much as I'd love to see an Usyk domination victory, I'm kinda hoping my prediction of a 50-50 fight is right. Feel like us boxing fans deserve to see a nailbiter Undisputed fight, especially those of you who have been waiting the full 24 years for the next one :lol:
     
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  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    After moving to HW, was Usyk ever referred to as a midget before Fury labelled him as such - is this a case of Simple Simon says...?

    In his OTT and ongoing efforts to dismiss Usyk and deliberately put this fight back, Fury has clearly indicated that he is not dismissive of Oleksandr - rather, he views Usyk as a legit threat.

    Fury could wax that he has the skills to beat Usyk - but instead, he keeps accenting on his greater size and the assumed advantage it will give him - it sounds dumb.

    Even re Ngannou, Fury has stated that Francis doesn’t know how to box.

    Well, duh! Ngannou is crossing over for his first boxing match ever - this is the guy YOU (Fury) agreed to fight in lieu of eligible contenders who CAN box. Sounding very dumb again.
     
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  9. Carinito

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    With a different ref, Dubois could be heavyweight champ of the world.
    Ill roll with Fury, making it look easier than anyone expected him too.
     
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  10. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Fury could be washed at any moment. If he was a more or even partially dedicated athlete he might still be prime at 35 but his conditioning is a disgrace. He might fool himself otherwise if he beats the ufc guy without much trouble but that won't help him any for Usyk.
     
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  11. steviebruno

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    Fury will have those tits out in full display, and they will be right in Aleksander's face!
     
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  12. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Depends on the condition of Fury probably.
    A lot of time has passed since his '2 Fast 2 Furious' days, which seemed to have ended about the time sugar hill was hired.
    At that point he started putting on weight and justifying it and he looked quite fat recently. So he might be on the conditioning slide but hasn't been found out because he's hardly been in the ring since the Wilder third fight.
    So if he's too slow and sloppy, Usyk might handle him and Fury sitting down on his punches more and trying to maul him might not matter.
    I think it's a hard fight to predict given Fury's inconsistency.
    I honestly don't even trust him with this circus fight.
     
  13. kiwi_boxer

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    With a different ref, Otto Wallin would have a TKO win over Fury
    With a different ref, Deontay Wilder would have a KO win over Fury
    With a different ref (and judge), John McDermott would have a decision win over Fury
     
  14. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Discount Usyk at your own risk. Bottom line is that he is a better boxer than Fury.
     
  15. Brighton bomber

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    I give Usyk a better chance than before as Fury has looked unfocused and clearly a little off the rails recently. But I still think Fury is simply too big and more importantly too versatile a fighter.

    Usyk really only has one way to win and that's to do what he did vs Joshua, move, box, counter, get in and out before the slower Fury can respond and win a decision. But Fury could out box him using his size and even if he gets out boxed then he'll do what he did vs Cunningham and Wallin and just press, maul and manhandle Usyk, wear him out then break him down and maybe even stop him late.

    Unless Fury shows up north of 300lbs and having grown old overnight then I can't see how Usyk wins. Uysk is a great boxer but he's fighting a guy in Fury who is just as skilled, just as intelligent in the ring, just as versatile but also much, much bigger.
     
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