Do you see Joshua good enough to take out the contenders of the 70 s?

I think it's reasonable to say Joshua at 19 fights has the reputation to now be measured against world class fighters but what is not reasonable is comparing the unusual physical capabilities he has acquired from this modern era to earlier times. A guy that heavy just did not produce that kind of rejuvenated explosive burst late in a fight before.

How much of Joshua's qualities are unique only to his era, how much of it does he rely upon in order to be great is a bigger debate in itself.

What I like about Joshua is outstanding temperament, his courage and discipline. That would shine through in any era and more than measure up with mere contenders. He also has the big stadium temperament. A champions attitude. Which are all good.

After that we are left with comparing what has been achieved from modern benefits.

 

He may not be as "skilled" as some of them, but I think his physical tools and natural gifts will get him through most of those fights. Jimmy Young is probably the only one I have doubts about given that he was so elusive, difficult to land flush on and very hard to stop. Joshua might lose a close decision there or at the very least look unimpressive in victory. The rest I think he wins by stoppage at some point or another.

 

I'm waiting for your next post that will of course provide proof of all your constant allegations.

 

I think at this stage of his development Bugner would give him something to think about.
If Wilder had rendered him helpless, as Wlad managed to do, I think he would have closed the show.
One swallow-----

 

Each fighter you mentioned was exceptional at times and they shouldn't be underestimated. However, today's heavyweight should be classified as superheavyweights. Even Ali would be small in comparison to today's skilled behemoths. It's like comparing lightheavyweights to heavyweights.

 

Well there are a lot of drug cheats in heavyweight boxing now isn't there? Tyson Fury failed a test, hughie Fury, Luis Ortiz, povetkin, Tony Thompson, Pulev , Lucas Browne and Erkan Teper have all been exposed as drugs cheats. That's a lot of the active division.

These guys did not look out of place in that division, they did not look so bionic compared to other the heavyweight contenders who (so far) have not failed drugs tests. There was nothing superhuman about them other than they were rated heavyweights who cheated. If they were the only ones, if the boxers that have been caught were the only cheats in boxing, then Wouldn't you think they would have stood out much more than they did?

I think that there is a good chance the guys who have been caught were only trying to "catch up" with the rest of the division. It could be that boxing is infested with PEDs or only partially corrupted by them.

Either way if the physical capabilities of one generation are unfairly enhanced by either a small or large scale it must mean it is difficult (to say the least) to make comparisons with another.

 

They have all failed drugs tests.Joshua has not, spot the difference?
Your random"interpretations" are not facts,and are supported by zero evidence.

 

The evidence is that the division is awash with PEDs. It is well documented.

To succeed in this climate one must be either a natural born super human phenomenon or a product of the environment. And by saying a product of their environment I don't necessarily mean a drugs cheat, It could mean somebody who has developed within an enhanced division.

If you are made to compete at an artificially achieved level of athleticism you might benefit from it without cheating because the senses have to develop against those levels. A cheat can reach his own full physical capacity cheating but that's not to say it surpasses the individual capacity of a non cheat.

The point being is that the level itself is set at a previously unachievable or unrequired climate. Making comparisons with a previous time impossible.

 

I think he blows the guys you mentioned away. Joshua is an elite level talent. I won't say he's an all time great yet, but he's showed me everything needed to get there. 3-4 more title defenses vs. top ten level guys ( looking impressive ) and I'm sold.

 

Modern Athletics has some tremendous nutritional and drug advantages.

From a doctor:

"Here are all the 'legal' supplements according to supplement grouping, definition and specific supplements. This group includes supplements and sports foods that provide a performance benefit in sport-specific and individual-specific situations or provide a useful and timely source of energy and nutrients in an athletes diet or are of medical/therapeutic benefit:

Bicarbonate, beta-hydroxy-beta-methyl butyrate (HMB), creatine, calcium, carbohydrate powders and gels glucosamine and chondroitin, intramuscular iron, intramuscular vitamin B12, liquid meal replacements, melatonin, recovery formulas, sports energy bars, skim milk powder, sports drinks, specific vitamins, and minerals."

In addition, there is Creatine found in the blood.

" Creatine is not a banned substance in the NFL, NBA, MLB, NFL, NCAA or Olympics. It would be very hard to ban creatine use because it is found in many foods, therefore making it very hard to test for without false positives."

Joshua is very pumped up. He must be on a strict diet of heavy protein to support that muscle mass. I actually think he would be better off at 240-245, not 250+

 

He could beat Bugner, Ellis, and Patterson.

Edit: Throw Quarry on there too.

 

Well, if it's my money I'm betting, it's going on AJ each time.

 

Pretty sure he would beat Quarry, Ellis and Patterson. He may struggle with Lyle at first, but would probably get there eventually. Bugner and Young. If the Jimmy Young of the Foreman fight turned up, then he might just get a UD. Joe Bugner could be a tricky one. If the Bugner of the Dunn fight was in front of AJ, he may give him a few problems, but would probably be worn down after the half way mark and be saved by the ref, still on his feet.