do you see similarities between lomachenko and calzaghe?

hopkins wasnt interested in a weakass title, thats why he never went to smw. We need t follow the facts, Hopkins never went to smw so he never avoided someine with a fake title like calzaghe whose best win was an arguable draw with robin reid.


My guess is was simply using it as leverage to get more off Oscar.

Theres no need t guess what Calzaghe and Wassen were up to, they stuck to the pattern of pretending a big name had signed with them and then actually facing a deadbeat for nearly a decade. Meanwhile hopkins did -

MW title record
ATG killing


and calzaghe did...robin reid.

 

many of them did. Being called the baddest guy on earth can go to your head, as Chalres Martin showed.

They are baddest man by dint of one 40 minute fight, and being in peak condition for those moments. They arent baddest man really outside that, but they can start to believe they are that peak athlete who came out top, All the time. That would mess with your head.

 

bottlgin it would have been moving to SMW for a SMW warm-up, winning it and then opting out of joe.

He never went to SMW, not once.

what you are arguing is that smeone like froch would be interested in moving up for an equivalent meaningless title.

Froch wouldnt dream of chasing an IBO LHW title.

Ward would never move to LHW for the IBO LHW title

To pretend Hopkins really wanted it is delusional, to chase a single wbo belt for the sake of just that belt was a joke to real champions.

 

Reading problems, Herol?

He agreed to a 3 million dollar purse, which would have been a career high payday, then next day he demanded 6 million.

You and facts don't seem to get along very well, as evidenced by this piece of wisdom:

Oscar wasn't on the Hopkins horizon at the time.
He was signing the much more lucrative Vargas and Mosley.


When Bernard skipped out of the Calzaghe fight, his next bout was Hakkar, in one of the worst bouts in recent MW history, for less than half what Calzaghe had offered. This was followed by Joppy and then a third crowd-pleasing thriller with Robert Allen. Oscar came years later.


Facts, did you say ?

 

exactly he used it was leverage to boost his deal with oscar.

there are in fact zero facts to say Hopkins went to SMW, because he didnt. good luck with that.

As opposed to calzaghe definitely moving to LHW to chase 40somethings, and then ducking ALL the prime LHWs. See the difference? Joe DID MOVE and DID DUCK.
sorry mate, but u set yourself up there.

he was after a big payday from Oscars 3 fight deal. And 3 fights later, and just the year after Hakkar (NOT YEARS LATER, LYING BOY!) he did indeed face ODLH. You attempt to prove his 3 fights was not a 3 fight deal for Oscar is a fail or a lie, I'll let you choose which.

it would be bad for you if you chose to believe that lies are facts my friend.

 

Why would he want £6 million for such an 'overrated stay at home slapper'...??

£6 mill in 02 is like what.. Equivalent to £8/9 mil today?

Speaks volumes that amount... Doesn't quite fit with the apparent threat level the haters like to portray JC as having does it? Ha ha ha

 

bargaining with DLH. hahaha indeed.

 

Are you perhaps mildly ******ed, Herol ?

Or on the hooch ?

Or did you forget to take your meds ?


As I already told you, the meeting between Hopkins and Calzaghe's teams too place in July 2002.

Oscar was nowhere on Bernard's Horizon.

Oscar was negotiating a 15 million dollar dollar deal with Vargas which he fought (and won) a few months later . That was SIX TIMES Bernard's career high payday.


After that, Oscar fought Campas and then Mosley, all for serious money.

Then Sturm.

Finally, some years later, he did fight Bernard.

But to suggest that Bernard's bad faith bargaining and turning down a career high payday a few years before he ever entered negotiations with Oscar, was "...was leverage to boost his deal with oscar." hints of mild mental ******ation. Maybe not even mild !

What the **** has that got to do with anything ?

Who ever said that he did?

What DID happen was that he was asked how much he wanted to fight Calzaghe ?

He answered Three Million. ( His previous largest purse was 2.5 million) And he asked that the fight take place in the US.

Calzaghe's team agreed to both stipulations.

The next day, Hopkins changed his demand to six million, thus scuttling the deal.

Cut and dried. BAD FAITH BARGAINING. He priced himself out of a career high payday. Just as he did with RJJ. Just as he did with James Toney.

He priced himself out of the Hopkins fight in July, 2002,
He fought Oscar in September 2004.

That, Herol, is YEARS later.


Footnote:

Oscar was a former 130 lb fighter and Bernard started his career at 175.
BHop's three top MW wins (Oscar, Tito, and Joppy) were all blown up little fellas.

It would be comparable to GGG fighting Mickey Garcia when Mickey bulks up to 160.

 

if you say he fought hakker instead of calzage, then oscar was the next year after hakkar.
Let me know why you lied, by trying to pretend that two people negotiating a fight is the same thing as an actual fight.

it appears your arguments are inconsistent, and u dont like being told they are, judging from your frustrated language.

 

It was years Herol.

Just admit you made a mistake and move forwards.

 

no, it was one year between the 2 scheduled fights of hakkar and Oscar. It is your mistake to ignore facts. let me know why u do so, perhaps later when u dont stand to lose face about it.

 

You are truly one of the most obtuse posters on here.

The facts are simple.

The man entered into negotiations with Calzaghe.

He made demands as to purse and location.

Both demands were agreed to by Calzaghe.

The next day, the man demanded more.

That's called BAD FAITH BARGAINING, plain and simple.

Nothing to do with leverage for some possible fight years later.

End of story.

 

I told you to ignore me, now put me back on ignore before you get yourself booted again for going over the line.

 

and yet here u are in denial that his next bout post calzaghe negotiation was 2003. Its almost like you dont believe that Hakkar required some negotiation in 2002 either.

 

No Herol.

Again, you're dead wrong.

What I wrote above (you can scroll up and take a look) was:

After Bernard skipped out of the Calzaghe fight...Oscar came years later.

2.25 years later.