Do you think a title belt should be at stake for the PAC-Cotto fight?

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  1. buxzer

    buxzer Eastern Champ Full Member

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    Name recognition will pull in the casual fans plus the hype of a championship title fight promotion... Hardcore boxing fans won't care much about title fights...;)
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  2. DLSC

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    Back in "ye olden days", title fights were much more meaningful and sought after by all. They only had , I think, 8 divisions. Now, we have so many that casual and even avid boxing fans can't even keep track on how many or what titles there are out there. Some how the words "Title Fights' have lost it's luster. It's hard to tell a casual fan that an upcoming fight is for the " Heavy Weight Champion of the World " when there are 2 or 3 of them.
     
  3. NALLEGE

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    Fighters love belts. The fighters who make big money may not care about them, but there are more fighters who care about titles than you think.
     
  4. buxzer

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    EXCLUSIVE: PHILBOXING CHATS WITH WBO PRESIDENT VALCARCEL REGARDING PACQUIAO-COTTO TITLE FIGHT

    By Dr. Allan Recto
    Tue, 28 Jul 2009

    Dr. Recto – Hello, Good morning Sir!

    WBO President Valcarcel– Hey Doc, it’s Paco, How have you been?

    Dr. Recto – Good, how are you?

    WBO President Valcarcel – I’m fine, Doctor. I received your text message, what’s the name of the lawyer of Manny Pacquiao? I couldn’t read it well.

    Dr. Recto – His name is Atty. Jeng Gacal, Sir.

    WBO President Valcarcel – Okay…

    Dr. Recto – Well, Atty. Jeng Gacal told me that Manny is not happy if this is not a title fight and he (Manny) wants it to be a title fight.

    WBO President Valcarcel – OK, perfect!

    Dr. Recto – They did not know how to contact you so I gave Atty. Gacal your phone number so he could call you up. It is already very late at night in the Philippines so he might call you tomorrow.

    WBO President Valcarcel – Good. Let him know that I could call him tomorrow too or tonight. How many hours ahead is the Philippines?

    Dr. Recto – Since you are in Puerto Rico, the time should be like in New York…they are ahead by 12 hours but it is the opposite, it’s night time over there.

    WBO President Valcarcel – We have the same time in New York, it’s Eastern Standard Time.

    Dr. Recto – How much is the sanction fee for the Team Pacquiao?

    WBO President Valcarcel – The total amount is going to be $ 150,000 for Manny. Bob Arum told me before that he was willing to pay the whole amount … for everybody.

    Dr. Recto – So, what does Manny Pacquiao have to do to make this fight with Miguel Cotto a WBO welterweight championship title fight?

    WBO President Valcarcel – Manny has to write the WBO a letter of request. Then he talks to Bob Arum and Bob will inform me. Arum is willing to do it, you know. Now after that, we can push Miguel Cotto to do it. I talked to Arum before in New York and he wants to do it. I will talk to Arum again and we will tell Cotto to do it.

    Dr. Recto – What about the statement of Bob Arum recently – “No one cares in the U.S. about the belt!” – did you read it?

    WBO President Valcarcel – Who said that?

    Dr. Recto – Bob Arum was quoted by boxing writer Michael Marley and the article was posted in philboxing.com last Friday. It came as a surprise to me.

    WBO President Valcarcel – Bob Arum sometimes say some things that he doesn’t really mean…he is now in his 70’s…if Manny forces him to do it, he will do it…if Manny tells him, “I want to fight for the title!” – he will force Miguel Cotto to do it. We can both pressure Miguel Cotto to do it.

    Dr. Recto – What happens if Miguel Cotto doesn’t want to put the belt on the line? Can you do something about it?

    WBO President Valcarcel – Let Manny fight for the title and if he wins, he will get the title as WBO Welterweight Champion of the World.

    Dr. Recto – Can you tell us the significance of the WBO title?

    WBO President Valcarcel – It is quite important…but first, Bob Arum and me should talk, okay… Before, he said he was waiting for Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao to sign the contracts then we will proceed.

    Dr. Recto – There is a clamor in the boxing world that this should be a title fight…not only in the Philippines but also all over the world.

    WBO President Valcarcel – And it will be a title fight!…De La Hoya now got six titles in different divisions…and Manny will have seven if he wins against Cotto…

    Dr. Recto – Sir, do you remember that fight of Oscar De La Hoya and Bernard Hopkins? Hopkins fought De La Hoya for the undisputed middleweight championship on September 18, 2004, in Las Vegas. The fight was done at a catch weight of 158 lbs, two pounds below the limit of 160 lbs for middleweight division.

    WBO President Valcarcel – Yes, I remember that fight. It was also for a WBO Middleweight Division title even though it was a catch weight bout. They fought for a title, yeah, I was there!

    Dr. Recto – So, it means that there is a precedent…. even though the fight of Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto is at a catch weight of 145 lbs., it still belongs to the welterweight division, right? He (Manny) can still challenge for Miguel Cotto’s WBO Welterweight championship belt?

    WBO President Valcarcel – That’s right!

    Dr. Recto – Sir, is it okay if I write up our phone conversation and send it to PHILBOXING.COM?

    WBO President Valcarcel – Yeah…yeah…that’s no problem…you’ve been a big help and I thank you for that!

    Dr. Recto - Thank you also Sir and have a nice day! Oh by the way, is Rodel Mayol fighting Ivan Calderon in a re-match?

    WBO President Valcarcel – Yes, it is being arranged…maybe, in September…When you are in Puerto Rico in September 12, let me know of Manny’s (Team Pacquiao) itinerary ‘cause I’d like to invite you all … for a meal or something.

    Dr. Recto - Okay, I will let Manny and Team Pacquiao know…Bye!


    Like the millions of Filipinos and other boxing fans/ aficionados worldwide, I will watch this fight LIVE. It will be shown on HBO PPV and promoted by Top Rank. Tickets will be on Sale in August and press conferences are scheduled for September 2009 in Los Angeles, New York and Puerto Rico. It will be a major event in boxing history especially if this were a title fight…. after all, how many times in boxing events has it happened that one of the protagonist (a Filipino fighter) will be vying for a Seventh title in Seven different divisions and a great World Champion (from Puerto Rico) will have the honor to defend his title?

    I am very positive, whatever the outcome will be, both fighters will be remembered for these honors (you bet, no matter who the winner will be)…of course, in this kind of super fight, the boxing fans and media will be the winners too!

    Follow up punches: After my conversation this morning, I made a follow up call to WBO President Valcarcel after lunch and he informed me that he had spoken with Atty. Jeng Gacal (Team Pacquiao lawyer).... and they were going to call Top Rank Promoter Bob Arum. A Team Pacquiao insider stated - All that Manny has to do is call Bob Arum and say, "Hey Bob, I want this to be a title fight...tapos ang boxing! (Translation – it will be a done deal!)"
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  6. buxzer

    buxzer Eastern Champ Full Member

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    From boxeomundial:

    Title fight or not the WBO wants its sanctioning fees

    It’s been close to a week since the Manny Pacquaio – Miguel Cotto bout was agreed upon by both camps and officially announced to the world. As most people know by now the fight is set to take place on the 14th of November at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas Nevada, with an agreed upon weight limit of 145 pounds, and no title on the line. On paper the bout is everything that makes boxing great; two skillful warriors who have shown a willingness to give it their all inside the ring, in the prime of their careers facing off against each other with the pride of their countries resting heavily on their shoulders. For many the fight has all the ingredients necessary for a thrilling night of boxing.

    However, in recent days a debate has risen as to whether or not, Cotto should defend his WBO welterweight title when he steps in the ring to face Manny Pacquaio. So far Cotto and his team have seemed reluctant to do so, leading many to speculate as to why. Some are citing the dollar amount that would have to be paid in sanctioning fees, while others have theorized that Cotto is using his belt as a negotiating chip to an even bigger purse. Cotto himself has been quiet about the topic and has left the discussion to his legal advisor, Gabriel Peñagarícano. Thus far Peñagarícano has kept his comments short and to the point in this matter.

    “This fight will be without a title”, Peñagarícano was quoted as saying in the Puerto Rican news paper EL Vocero.
    “We will not be defending it, and we’re not going to get into debates with the WBO about it”

    Cotto’s team may not wish to debate the WBO, but they may have little choice in the matter after statements were released by the organization stating that even if Cotto choose not to defend his title against Manny Pacquaio, he will still be required to pay the sanctioning fees.

    Francisco “Paco” Valcárcel, president of the WBO spoke to our assistant editor Wilfredo Acevedo and had the following comments on the matter.

    “Any of our champions that wants to defend one of our title needs our authorization… to defend our title or fight. It doesn’t matter if the fight is for 10 or 12 rounds. They need still our authorization and most pay our sanctioning fees.

    When asked about the possibility of Cotto being stripped if he didn’t pay the sanctioning fees, Paco deflected the question and instead proceeded to make it clear that the situation was not about money being paid for a title, but about the responsibility of WBO champions to seek approval for any fight they take and to pay the fees for them regardless of whether or not a title was involved.

    “This is not about him paying or not. The point is we have to authorize his fight. This is not about whether we take his title or not, because that’s not the main issue. The issue is that we have to authorize any fight one of our champions makes, be it for a title or not. And in this case, Cotto’s fight will be for a title.”

    Valcárcel would go on to note that Paul Williams had paid sanctioning fees for non title bouts and that Marquez would be doing so in his upcoming fight against Floyd Mayweather.

    In upcoming days the boxing world will continue to watch as word is released from both camps and this story continues to unfold, however the WBO has already made its stance clear, they intend to collect their sanctioning fees even if Cotto chooses not to defend his title.
     
  7. Kid Cuba

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    No, the fight is not at 147 so the 147 belt should not be on the line.
     
  8. buxzer

    buxzer Eastern Champ Full Member

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    WBO president Valcarcel doesn't have the same opinion... He wants the WBO welterweight belt to be at stake...
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  9. thesandman

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    No. I think if you're fighting for the 147 belt, you should be allowed to weigh 147.

    anything else is an exhibition, or non title fight.

    Other wise you'd get the ridiculous situation of a 147 champ specifying weight limitations on the challengers. You must weigh 141.5 or less, etc.

    That's the whole reason you have weight divisions in the first place, and the whole reason that so many ****ing divisions exist now, is to let guys fight (for example) a bit over welterweight, but under middleweight. To try and further split an already small weight class for medium sized guys ( it's only ****ing 7 pounds) even further is pathetic. What's this weight called, super junior welterweight?
     
  10. buxzer

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    You got a point but on the otherhand, if all parties involved (champ, challenger, promoters, sanctioning body, etc) is in agreement that a title will be at stake even if it's a welterweight catchweight of 145 then there's also no problem in this case/situation...
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  11. scatterbrain

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    :good:good:good.

    as much as i want pac to fight at 147, i think 145 is fair for all parties.

    cotto came in at 146 the last time. and he will be receiving the biggest paycheck in his career.

    do people honestly think that a 12m dollar payday is not enough to compensate for one lb. seriously.
     
  12. NALLEGE

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    Pac did.
     
  13. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly as the guy above me said.

    Pac is saying he won't go another 2 lbs for a 12 m payday. It's ridiculous. If Pac can't stretch to 147, then he has no right being in that weight class. If that's the case, then the belt shouldn't be on the line for it.

    If Pac wants to become a mandatory( and I have no doubt he wouldn't want to fight his way up the ladder), then he would have to fight at 147.

    Pick any weight you want for a non title fight. but there's enough bull**** now with 4 belts and 570 weight classes. Surely we don't need more splitting of the ranks?
     
  14. igor_otsky

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    The belt should be at stake, even if the fight is at 141 or 145. It's still under WW limit. If WBO President Valcarcel wants the fight to have the belt at stake, then it should be, unless CHICKEN COTTO doesn't want to bet with his belt..
     
  15. canuckpunch

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    Dela Hoya vs Hopkins was a catchweight with belt on the line

    Why are people complaining when Manny is fighting at a catchweight? Belt should be on the line even at 145