Do you think Frazier could have beat Vitali or Wladmir?

vitali, no

Wladimir, hell yes.

 

I think he can beat both but Vitali is actually the easier stylistic match up as he fights with a leaning back hands down style similar to Ali and has the same stylistic weaknesses. Vitali also doesn't have 1 punch power and telegraphs his shots

 

He can beat Wlad for sure but Vitali is too big, too durable and too awkward. I would take Vitali on a comfortable decision over Frazier and wouldn't be surprised if he ground him down and stopped him.

 

Wlad's suseptibility to the left hook may ultimately be his undoing in a fight against the greatest heavyweight left hooker of all time.

Vitali, while much slower and less skilled, at least has the size strength, chin, and less vulnerability to lefts.

My guess, is that Frazier would beat Wlad, but struggle like hell with Vitali.. But who knows?

 

Could? Uh, yes.

 

He'd K.O. both of them.

 

I think these fights could go either way. Frazier would have a tough time against Vitali, and would be unlikely to win, as for Wlad, that's a harder one to predict. Wlad's not known for handling pressure very well, but he's got power to spare and is very fast..nevertheless, I'd go with Frazier on this match up.

 

Frazier beats Bbth of them by TKO. I don't get this "he'd have a very tough time, and lose against Vitali" nonsense. A past his best and out of shape Lewis was trailing, but still managed to tear Vitali's face to shreds and stop him, a peak late 60's-early 70's Frazier is concievably going to wreck Vitali. Let's face it in terms of class Vitali isn't in the same ballpark as Lennox.

 

Absolutely yes.

Prime Frazier would be a nightmare for anybody. You would have to prove a hell of a lot in the ring to get picked over him.

In the case of the Klitschko brothers it is close but no cigar.

 

Fair enough, but what similarities do you see between LL and JF, that leave you with the indication that Frazier would beat Vitali? Your point about Lewis being past it, and still winning is well noted, but frankly I see nothing that Lewis and Frazier have in common. Lewis was 6'5", 250 Lbs, and a right handed boxer-puncher. Frazier was around 5'11", 205 Lbs, and a swarmer who's best punch was the left hook. I really don't see the logic behind the Lewis-Frazier comparison.

 

I see Vitali-Frazier to be a bit like the Bonavena fight TBH.Both were durable ,not very fasts heavyweights with solid but not spectacular power.Bonavena didn't have Vitali's height but that height would work against the Ukranian when Frazier would get in close.

 

It's not nonesense at all. Vitali just beat Peters who may not be in the same class as Frazier is no push over. Obviously I come from to school which says size matters and good big man beats a good small man.

You obviously think Fraziers skills are so superior to Vitali's that he overcomes the 9 inch height advantage, the 40lb weight difference and the mile or so reach advantage, I don't.

Say want you will about Vitali, he has proven power, stood toe to toe with an older but still extremely dangerous Lewis and showed he had a ton of guts and a chin.

All these taken together makes for a tough opponent.

 

Frazier at his best was more than good.That's the problem.:think

 

I'm wasn't meaning to compare styles, just making a comment about how a past prime, disinterested great managed to beat Vitali. I'll be honest and say Vitali hasn't in his career beaten anyone to convince me he'd be taking out a prime Frazier, size and strength can come into play of course, but in this particular case I just see an unrelenting Frazier being able to get inside, pounding the body and head of Vitali and basically getting ontop of him and pushing him well outside of any sort of comfort zone. Vitali has an veyr solid chin of course and power, but in terms of movement even Ali found it hard to keep away from Frazier, he went life and death for the most part of three fights against him: I just don't think Vitali is going to pull a Foreman on Frazier, I really don't. I can see Liston and Lewis pulling the trick, just don't think Vitali is capable of doing so. My opinion. Frazier will eventually break him down and stop him.


Frazier TKO8.