Do You Think Jack Dempsey Is Overrated?

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  1. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alot of people seem to think Dempsey was a amazing ATG. But I have my douts.

    He drew the colour line. Didn't fight his number #1 contender who was contender for over 5 years in Harry Willis. Also wound't give Greb, Langford, or Johnson fights.

    Made 6 defences of his title which is impresive, but the opponets weren't really that impressive which included the circus act and extremely limeted luis firpo, who nearly knocked him out. the much smaller Carpentier.

    Billy Maske and Bill Brennan, who i don't think deserved to be in there with him and had already been defeated by Greb going into that fight.

    He also took the title off possibly the worst champion in circus act Jess Willard. And was invovled in weak era of heavyweights.

    And never defended the title for 3 YEARS. and comeback and was beaten by tunney twice.

    Dempsey was a great fighter, but i don't really see what all the fuse is about.

    Discuss
     
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  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Overrated by those who rate him top5 and pick him to beat more advanced or physically bigger fighters like Foreman, Ali, Tyson. His resume is 1 of the weaker 1s but he was very dominant winning impressive against the contenders he faced, he is 1 of the most exciting champions to watch and a great story and a very likable character

    BTW he personally didnt draw the colour line that was part of the politics of his time. He didnt prove himself better than the likes of Wills and didnt build a great resume because of this. If he did beat Prime Wills, Old Jack Johnson, Old Sam Langford and Greb his resume would look far better and the loss to Tunney wouldnt hurt him as much
     
  3. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think he may have been overrated in earlier decades, but not so much today. He belongs on anyone's serious top 10 all-time heavyweights' list...in my opinion, of course.
     
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  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    He's a top ten cruiser for sure.
     
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  5. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He got knocked out by Fireman Jim Flynn for ****s sake. Jesus Christ.
     
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  6. JudgeDredd

    JudgeDredd Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great fighter, but yeah over-rated.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Like T-Rex would have avoided a 165 pounder.

    Come on. Something is wrong with the Dempsey ranking. You know it. I know it.
     
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  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It went extinct to avoid Harry Greb and alowed a fair margin of error.

    That aside, the comment was intended to describe what Dempsey was perceived as more than what he was.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ah! Sorry buddy, i'm ****-faced.

    In fact, it's time for bed!
     
  11. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dempsey did avoid Greb!
     
  12. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just woke up!
     
  13. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Love it.
     
  14. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think Jack's really overrated anymore, probably because the generation that overrated him the most has been dying out (not to sound callous about that sort of thing).

    Out of curiosity, do you share the same opinion of Jack Johnson being overrated? He also drew the color line once he was champ and had lackluster defenses.
     
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  15. JIm Broughton

    JIm Broughton Active Member Full Member

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    Are we talking legacy or head to head? Legacy wise he may be somewhat overrated but head to head I don't think so. There have been a few champions that didn't have such a good resume as champion but were ATG's nonetheless. I always felt Larry Holmes had a mediocre reign and possibly ducked a few fighters but there's no doubt of his greatness as a boxer. Joe Louis made 25 title defenses but only 2 were against black fighters and very few would question his ability as a fighter which is why I tend to rate fighters on a head to head basis. HTH I feel Dempsey rates rather high. He is one of the old timers that would be trouble for any champion to come after him (At his best of course). If we are to drop Dempsey down a few pegs based on his reign as champion then let's face it, there's a few more ATG's that would have to follow him.
     
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