Do you think Jack Johnson coaching Joe Louis would have been good?

It would have been useful to Schmeling and Adolf Hitler, yes.

Louis > Jack Johnson.

 

I'm sure he'd learn a few tricks

 

He was turned down by John Roxborough Louis's manager he stipulated that Louis' ensconced trainer Jack Blackburn would have to go.Roxy basically told him to f*ck off.Johnson correctly predicted the result of the first Louis v Schmeling fight and the reason why .Johnson criticized Louis' balance and the fact that he did not return his left to the guard position after jabbing,something that Schmeling had spotted too," I zee something, but I won't tell".


For Johnson's advice to be successful Louis would have had to listen to and follow it.At that time Louis thought he was Superman and wasn't listening to anyone, he learned his lesson and never repeated his mistake.

 

Joe Louis wouldn't have even been remembered today without Chappie Blackburn. Blackburn was the genius behind Louis's success.

 

Louis was the world champion when he nearly strangled Lena Horne,he hadn't tried any drugs at that point.
I'm guessing the quotes you provided were from late in his life when his mind was f*cked up. Louis admired Johnson as a fighter but certainly paid the price for inheriting his legacy.He was schooled ,never to grin after koing a white opponent ,never to be seen in the company of white women,and always to appear humble in public.
The blame rests squarely on the white American public and ,judging by the antics of the Republican candidate you haven't progressed very far since those times!

 

Woah, I never heard that story about Joe Louis and Lena Horne before. You got any more info on that Mcvey? I tried googling for more info myself but there's not much to find. There is an article from 1978 where Lena Horne said it didn't happen, and pretty much denied dating him all together:

"Her temper, she points out, discredits a story of Joe Louis' out, discredits a story of Joe Louis' that he once tried to choke her. "It's so sad that he has ot do that now. I met Joe as a child, he knew my father. An affair? If one goes around with someone I suppose that's an affair. But let me say this: Joe Louis was nicer to me than any of the bosses I had, says Horne."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...-legend/39f0cfed-361b-426d-9a1e-15c57a8766a0/

 

No, not at all. They did well to steer clear of Johnson. He'd have undermined things, inadvertently or otherwise. Too much ego, and not enough attention coming his way. Poisonous mixture.

 

It is impossible to say how it would have worked out, because we don't know what approach Johnson would have taken, or how good he would have been as a trainer.

It does not follow that Johnson would have tried to make Louis into a carbon copy of himself, so he might have produced a different angle on Louis's style, which might have been just as successful.

On the flip side of the coin being a great fighter, is no guarantee of being a great trainer.

Johnson might have grabbed the wheel, and swerved straight for the rocks.

In the final analysis, we would have to conclude that it would have been a politically disadvantageous association, if nothing else.

 

No, I do not think Johnson would have been a good trainer for Louis. For openers, the two fighters had a completely different skill set and very different techniques. Secondary Johnson was all about himself first and quick to fly off the handle. A trainer and fighter need to trust each other. Something tells me Johnson would have said something to damper that part of the relationship. Lastly, Louis had a set of social rules because of who Jack Johnson was out of the ring. Ya want to pair to two in the 1930's?

Johson openly ripped Louis for his flaws. He's right about them, but Louis did not have the balance, footwork, or ring smarts to fight the way Johnson would have preferred.

Blackburn worked well with Louis, and in the re-match, Blackburn's training and strategy made a difference. Louis himself was a little slow to adapt and think in the ring, but he trusted Blackburn.

 

It's in his autobiography he was married to Marva at the time.

 

No, because Louis already had one of the greatest trainers of all time.

The chance that Johnson would have been a better one is minimal.

 

I think Sal pretty much nailed it here.

 

I find the underlined unintentionally hilarious. The premise that Johnson had a quick temper and that this would be a problem.. Here is a little about Jack Blackburn, Louis' trainer.

"In January 1909, Blackburn's career was derailed when he went on a shooting spree in Philadelphia. In the midst of an argument, he killed three people, including his wife. He was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to ten to fifteen years in prison. Blackburn, who gave boxing lessons to the warden and his children, was released on good behavior after four years and eight months." Blackburn also "cut a man and carried a blade.Blackburn was a very heavy drinker and a menace when drunk.

He was in trouble in1935 too.

Connection With Louis
After his competitive career ended, Blackburn worked as a trainer in Chicago gyms and lived a life of heavy drinking and violence. One day John Roxborough and Julian Black introduced him to a potential trainee, a young fighter named Joe Louis. As Louis remembers it, "[Blackburn] said, 'You know, boy, the heavyweight division for a Negro is hardly likely. The white man ain't too keen on it. You have to really be something to get anywhere... And you got to listen to everything I tell you. You got to jump when I say jump, sleep when I say sleep. Other than that, you're wasting my time." Louis promised his obedience and Blackburn said, "OK, Chappie." From that moment on, "Chappie" was the nickname each man had for the other.
Rough Character
Despite his success as a trainer, Blackburn continued to drink heavily. And he still carried a gun. Louis remembered a visit to Louisiana when Blackburn brought a gun to the fight. "This is the South," he told Louis. In 1935 Blackburn was arrested again after allegedly shooting at another man following a brawl. Two bystanders, an elderly man and a young girl, were shot; the man died from his injury. Three months before the first Louis-Schmeling fight, Blackburn was found not gui

Blackburn had problems with drinking and with arthritis during the time he trained Louis. In 1935, he was indicted for perjury and manslaughter in a case that was later dropped. Blackburn's health deteriorated and, in 1942, he died of a heart attack.

Seems like Blackburn had anger- management problems to me.lol

He is a suitable role model and mentor for Louis ,but Johnson would not be?LOL