Do you think Margarito will someday be forgiven just as Mosley was?

Number one, this is incorrect, others have submitted to a lie dectector test as well. Number two, Marion Jones was one of the first athletes to file a lawsuit against someone who claimed they knowingly took steroids.

 

steriods does not equal loaded gloves. F%^k AM he should be behind bars and not in a ring. For anyone who says there is no legal case is an fool.

 

Reg, I only copied the end of this for a reason (I normally hate when posters do that to me, so I figured Id explain why)...I have given my reasons for belief, as you have given yours for not believing. In the end, you may be right...as the more I read on this (maxboxing has a great article on it I have never read before like 5 mins ago), the more I question. In the end, we may never know. Fact is, your one of the few posters on here I can actually have a conversation with who I know is posting on merit, not on bias (hense why I actually decided to do a bit more research). But, if you look back, I fully explained my rationalizations on my feelings...so that last sentance really doesnt hold weight here man...

 

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Never read one other person who took a lie detector test...who did one???

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sorry to single you out, but dont you think your statement has been made on here 500 other times? if you aernt contributing anything new then just let the previous identical post stand on its own merit and not on repetition.

 

Joey Gilbert passed a polygraph after testing positive for a fight in Nevada a couple years ago.

 

I am amazed with all of the stupid arguments that are out there that defend Tony's loaded gloves. A few points:

1) This about Tony and his corner getting caught loading their gloves, nothing more nothing less. Anyone tries to defend Tony by condemning the boxing industry is just clouding the issue and is just deflecting blame.

2) loading gloves is equal to illegal wraps. Wrapping hands illegally just means that the hands were wrapped not following the rules of boxing. I.e. too much gauze. Loading gloves is putting a foreign object in the gloves. One gives an advantage and may cause the boxer to feel like they hit harder. The other is an assault with a lethal weapon and could and should be pursued in a court of law

3) Loading gloves are no worse than steroids. An analogy that I constantly see is that steroids are just as bad, look at what they did in baseball. The difference is that boxing is a contact sport and anything that increase the damage at the point of contact will inflict more damage. If you walked down the street and hit someone while you were on steroids you would be charged with assault. If you struck someone with plaster on your hands you would be charged with assault with a lethal weapon.


4) The punishment is too harsh compared to taking steroids or illegal wraps. Even if this is the case there is a precedent that in place for all of these infractions and any boxer or corner that infringes on these infractions knows the potential consequences. If they decide to break the rules they have only themselves to blame.


5) This is punishment against Tony for being Mexican. MAB said he should be banned. Vargas took roids and was punish like others that had taken steroids. There was a boxer last year who was caught with loaded gloves, who was not Mexican that was banned for life. Tony is Mexican, but he is not all of Mexico. If you feel he represented Mexico in the ring you should be mad at him because he knew the punishment if he got caught that night.


6) That there is no proof that Tony knew that his hands were loaded. Tony has been in boxing for around two decades. It is probably highly unlikely that he could not notice a changed in the routine of wrapping his hands and also that he would not notice a change in the feel of the gloves. If one had a rock in ones shoe you would notice that something did not feel right. All of these points are circumstantial. Yet, that is why it is called circumstantial evidence. This type of evidence does stand up in a court of law. Often an argument is brought up that SSM had cleared AM by stating that he as a boxer puts trust in his corner. Basically boxers box and corners wrap. It is in Mosley’s best interest to preserve the myth of AM as a monster because he just slued the beast. If you diminish the Myth of Margo you diminish Mosley’s dominate performance.


7) That there is no evidence that Tony’s corner did this in the past. Why would they do it in this one case? I have everything from that they knew SSM was on steroids and they wanted to level the playing field too that they knew that SSM was a major threat. There was absolutely no proof that SSM was on steroids. Since he admitted to taking it almost 10 years ago now he would be one of the most scrutinized fighters in the world. Say that SSM was major threat is true, yet would that not mean that Cotto was not a bigger threat because he beat SSM? Also, Cintron was a major threat because he stood in his way with his major payday with Cotto. Once again there are several different forms of circumstantial evidence that he did do this in the past. First, the amount of physical damage that was done to his opponents face, ears and body is consistent with being hit with a blunt object. Second, Tony’s punches did more damage as bout went on. This would be consistent with the substance in his gloves that would harden slowly over the course of the match. Third, Cotto and Cintron both said before they knew that tony loaded his gloves that they were never hit like that before and Margo was the hardest hitter they ever faced. Tony is not known for his one punch knock power. Knock out power is generated from the body, not the hands. Then it is reasonable to believe that the source of Tony’s heavy hands, which he was also known for, was because of the plaster in his gloves. Finally, He beat up Sergio Martinez in a similar fashion as he did Cotto without Capitello in his corner. That goes back to the point of Tony knowing and having he corner man at the time place the loaded substance in his gloves at the time.


Finally, I have yet to hear one major boxer, boxing scribe or boxing insider say anything other than the act of loading gloves is boxing most heinous crimes. It is clear that Margo’s career is finished, if not at the ring at least at the gate. The only question is whether or not he is pursued by the authorities and finds himself behind bars.

 

bandeedo, read the topic: Do you think Margarito will someday be forgiven just as Mosley was?

1) This person implying that steriods is equal to loaded gloves . . . wrong.
2) Should he be forgiven, hell no! The guy should be banned for life.

The author of this post is trying to minimalize what the low life did . . . let him wrought!

 

jasper,:good. not that i agree but at least you are no longer taking the scrub aproach and are now trying to add something. i never use emoticons so you should feel priviledged, lol.

 

Margarito will be forgiven by some, but in large part, people will be more down on him than Mosley. Mosley's nice-guy reputation has helped him, the KNOWN consequences of glove-loading in fights have been tragic in boxing's history while I can't remember of any tragedies happening after a boxer's been caught using steroids. I don't think it's necessarily right though. It's not like fighters take The Cream and The Clear and EPO for vanity. Being stronger, faster, sharper, having more energy means you do more damage to your opponent.

If these court cases change my opinion on Mosley, then I'll "forgive" him (actually there won't be much reason to need to forgive him) and be a fan again. For reasons that Reg mentioned, I don't believe him and stopped being a fan after that. Same for Margarito as well, but it looks shady as hell. I used to like him, but he's one of my most hated fighters now.

 

dang it, i wasted a freaking emoticon.

 

Great post man...wow!

 

lol, I am sorry I find this thread very insulting. A close friends of mine, who was an won a bronze medal at the olympics, later suffered brain damage from suspected use of loaded gloves in one of his bouts. They could not prove it so nothing was done. The question should be is how can this guy even be considered for a return to the ring.

 

maybe he might be forgive, depending on how he does back i nthe ring after the suspension.