Do you think SugarHill and/or John Fury will still be in Tyson Luke's corner?

Tyson should have fought Usyk more rather than box him. Though honestly he did a good job at boxing him too as he was really getting to Usyk in some of the middle rounds. In a rematch, Fury needs to be more aggressive imo. Fight Usyk like he did Cunningham.

John Fury is a clown and was shouting while Sugar Hill was talking. Too much talk in a fighter's ear.

 

Why he should change his corner? Its not their fault Usyk was better.

Only thing Tyson can try do better is better quicker start and fight like he did on round 4-7 from the begining (full speed, full movement, Sharp punches) but...
He never will have same engine as Usyk because he is just genius in this. If he start full tempo from begining he can win more rounds at start but possibile of getting tired quicker and slow down too quick impres.

I write that I belive that even when Usyk feel that he is lost be will attack even more and try even harder.
Fury got very good middle rounds but I knew he must slow down at some moment and I remeber that when You slow down Usyk just start the party

No need to blame corner. There is no possible to come back to Peter after he threat him in past soo bad (end working with him + stop helping his son Hughie).

He should fight for silver medal of the era now with Joshua.
Usyk is best and will be favorite in second fight.

 

Yep, the reality is that Sugar Hill is terrible and John Fury is the village idiot. So both are woeful in the corner.
The point about being told he was up is huge actually, and the same thing happened to Groves in the Jack fight where he and Kalle were angry afterwards that the Irish hippy did not tell Groves he needed to push it at the end. Groves lost a majority decision or something like that.

In this case it is absolutely the fault of Fury's trainer. It's not up to the fighter to know exactly how the rounds have gone, especially if he's been concussed. Would Usyk still have won? Perhaps, but it's still terrible coaching.

This is the biggest fight of Fury's whole career and the brains in his corner amount to: the guy who told him he's now a KO-artist and he'd land a RH and go home against the MMA fighter, plus the guy going around headbutting people before the event.

Remember those times people were mocking Ben Davison? Turns out he was better, doesn't it? In fact if Fury had listened to Ben in round 12 of the Wilder fight and not tried to exchange with Wilder, he would have likely not been KD'd, won on points, only had one rematch, not get brain damage and so on. It's the fault of Fury for getting rid of Ben, but everyone in boxing thought it was a wonderful idea, including round here.

It's also very dishonest of people to celebrate 'Sugar' for transforming Fury's style, but then when Fury starts losing his defence, getting dropped and beat up, they say it's all on Fury and keep their little pet Sugar protected from criticism.

 

Let's say they tell Fury he was down and behind on the cards. So what?

Fury had nothing left in him after round 9. There was no power or snap behind his punches and jabs. Usyk started coming forward fearlessly because he knew he could take Furys power.

If Fury got further reckless and had gone for broke by the end, he would have been ko'ed without a doubt

 

According to some reports, yes Ben Davidson might be a young inexperienced trainer but he is not a ass kissing yes man.

He was brutally honest with Fury ie it was his arrogant show boating, lapse in concentration which cost him the first Wilder fight. Once Fury decided to add Sugar Hill to the camp, Davidson quit saying you can't have two trainers in camp.

 

Sugar Hill was horrible for Fury. People drinking that Kronk Kool-aid should see Fury's last 5 fights. He looked like a bag of ponderous lard. No conditioning, no defense, no jab, no footwork, nothing close to the Fury of the first Wilder fight. He's probably happy with yes men like his preposterous dad and idiot Sugar Hill as he's mentally fragile with a huuge ego.

 

Both sucked

Round 12 sugar Hill shouting from the corner you're the big dog. Embarrassing.

Ben Davison would have legit been better. Either way fury getting tired played the biggest role.

 

Biggest red flag is seeing Sugar Hill accompany Fury to the bars, parties and indulging in the drinking benders.

He is a leeching yes man who is not a good influence on Fury at all. Ben Davidson would not be tolerating his fighters indiscipline outside the ring.

 

Fury came into the fight in the best shape he's been in in many years.

Probably in his best shape since the Klitschko fight.

I don't think he was drinking and partying much before this fight.

He took it seriously and just fell short against the better, more determined man.

 

Are you forgetting that even Steve Cunningham and Pajkic put Fury down? This has nothing to do with Sugar Hill.

 

Fitness is a life long thing. Oleksander Usyk has perhaps lived a disciplined athletes spartan lifestyle for almost two decades and that investment in a clean eating, training lifestyle always rewards him in the second half to the end of the fight where he is able to find a second third wind where he out works, out lands his opponents with ruthless pressure and volume of clean crisp accurate non stop punches.

Everyone has seen with Tyson Fury how he loves to eat, drink, party in bw fights and then has to drastically cut weight in 2-3 months of training camp whereas in an ideal world you should be entering your training camp 2-3 months before already in peak physical condition and you are only focusing on boxing tactics and technique in the camp with respect to your opponent. This drastic shortcuts to weight loss which Fury has been indulging in was always going to show up in the form of tiredness, fatigue, lack of strength, power in your punches, jabs in the late championship rounds of a big fight and finally a GOAT opponent in Oleksander Usyk was able to exploit it.

 

Fair enough. I don't disagree with you on that. I'm just saying in the run up to this fight the guy was not drinking.

 

This

Usyk just had more levels because of his pedigree

Fury did not have the same pedigree. Fury "learned" boxing through fighting in his back yard with his family members. He won the genetic lottery by being such a giant and in a division where there is a lack of mobility and skill amongst big men, his acquired skills were enough to get the job done simply by being very mobile relative to his giant size.

 

On the Davison thing, did anyone see Freddie Roach who was part of the team for Wilder 1 saying he disagreed with Davison and thought he should've ordered Fury to put him on the backfoot. I found some interviews I remember, Fury obviously took it on board with going Kronk for the rematch and destroying the bronze bomber.
He wanted Fury to be "more offensive", criticising Davison for using similar tactics to those given to featherweight Isaac Lowe on the undercard that night. "Why are you treating these people the same?" Roach said. "Ben gave the exact same instructions to the 126lbs fighter as he did the heavyweight fighter," Roach, who was cut man for the fight, told Fox Sports. "They are not the same and his instructions were the same and choreographed for both guys. I was a little disappointed.
"I’m more of an offensive coach,” Roach explained, “I’m very aggressive and I was a little bit disappointed in the corner work. Ben was telling him to feint and step back. Why are you telling him to step back? Let this guy fight, he can get rid of this guy. We haven’t spoke about it yet, but we are going to have a meeting and speak with Ben and so forth because I think he was just very safe. He said: ‘Don’t take chances.’ Wait a minute, don’t take chances? You’re in the boxing ring. You took a chance when you signed the contract for the fight. I was disappointed that he didn’t get a chance to finish him."