Do you think technique evolves?

I can see that this means a lot to you.

And I honestly respect that.

I do respect people who like to challenge beliefs.

And I do respect deep thinking people.

However, the above needs breaking down into sections, as it’s currently a mish mash of topics.


Regarding boxing, I can’t see where anyone on this thread has denied it’s progression.

Yes, the world is always improving in many different ways.

Yes, other sports have seen huge progression.

But boxing is 2 men pitting their different styles against each other.

It cannot be compared to team sports or track and field type sports, where they’re racing against a clock.

Now I have continually agreed with you that the sport has absolutely progressed.

The ONLY thing I’ve disagreed with, is it’s continuous progression, generation after generation.

Again, that simply hasn’t happened.


You cannot possibly believe that today’s WW’s are on a completely other level to the ones from the 80’s.

You cannot possibly believe that today’s MW’s are superior to the ones from the 90’s that I listed.

You can’t believe that.

And nobody who was there, or has in-depth knowledge of that era, will agree with you.

Absolutely nobody.

Again, the sport doesn’t continually progress with each generation, across the whole sport.


The MW division today is weak compared to many previous eras. Not just in depth, but in talent. Today’s MW’s are not technically more gifted than the guys I listed. And it’s not even close.

However, today’s LW division is thriving. We have some great young fighters. And many of them have great skills.

A few years ago, Usyk’s CW division was also stacked full of talented fighters. And the division was as strong as it’s ever been.

At HW today, we have some good fighters. It’s not the strongest it’s ever been, but it’s very good.

And that’s how boxing has been for decades.

It ebbs and flows.


For me, it really peaked in the 90’s. There were more top level fighters then. More HOF/ATG fighters. We were really spoilt. I lived through the era. It was stronger than today as a whole.

Again, we have some tremendous fighters today. But they are not on another level to all who came before them.


Yes, the knowledge of past fighters is there for new fighters to study.

But that does not mean that everyone takes up that knowledge.

It’s the same as sports science.

Look at what is available to the fighters today.

Sports science and nutrition.

Yet not every fighter takes advantage of it. There’s many guys today who have poor physiques and stamina issues.


So yes, the knowledge and the footage is there for people to try and take things to the next level.

But if you just look through each of the divisions, your theory of evolution simply isn’t there. Not where it’s continual, with every newer generation surpassing the previous ones.

For your theory to be true, we’d have a dozen WW’s today who were as great as any we’ve ever seen, considering that it’s now 2024. But if you look, those fighters don’t exist.


No new techniques have been invented for years.

All the techniques were mastered years ago.

What we have now, is great fighters with different styles.

There is also no such thing as the perfect fighter.

And in 100 years time, whoever the best fighter will be, will have SOME FLAWS.

And, he’ll also have a stylistic nemesis.

Why?

Because there’s just too many different sizes, styles and attributes to contend with.

Usyk is a genius. But he’s not perfect.

And the same applies to both Loma and Crawford.


Now I will apologise for my previous comments towards you. But you have to understand that you’ve been quite ignorant throughout the thread.

However, again, I do genuinely respect a deep thinking man, and I can see that this is very important to you.

So if you want to start again, that’s cool.

I will reply to you without any further insults.

I will also be very interested in other people’s take on this.

And if you have any interesting questions or theories away from boxing, like the ones you’ve mentioned here, then you could always start a thread in the Lounge section, if you’ve not already done so.


Thanks.

 

Maybe as a something to ponder in the possible conclusion to his thread, imagine Catterel or Taylor in with Pryor or Aguello?
Hell, I can’t even see them beating Terry Marsh!
Also (although he’s fairly recent) Naz gets a lot of stick from this forum when comparing him to featherweight greats from the past, but I can’t see any guy from the past 15 years even going the distance with him?