Do you think that amateur pedigree means much in the pro game??

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Aug 18, 2008.


  1. DINAMITA

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    I have noticed recently a few people writing things about boxers' amateur careers when listing their achievements, ie '2-time world champion, Olympic silver medallist' etc.

    I don't know if I'm just being pedantic, but it does irritate me. It's like a footballer listing his achievements as 'I won the World Cup, and the Schools League when I was a teenager'.

    IMO, amateur accomplishments should be left there along with the headguard when guys graduate to the pro ranks, winning amateur titles mean nothing in the pro game because the two are so far removed they may as well be thought of as a different sport.

    To be honest, I don't know this for a fact, but I'm willing to bet many many great boxers either were nothing special as amateurs, or basically passed that stage of development as quickly as possible, and many great amateurs never cut it in the real world or never even tried to. It is such a sanitized and anodyne version of the Noble Art.

    In conclusion, I think it is so irrelevant and meaningless after a boxer has had a pro career, it shouldn't even be mentioned. We should all rank guys solely on their pro careers and accomplishments.

    Does anyone agree or even care??
     
  2. AmericanSugar

    AmericanSugar Active Member Full Member

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    amateur boxing is to polish skills, gain experience and recognition.
     
  3. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    It's the best way to learn the fundamentals, and it's why the Eastern Euro's are doing so well now...they had flourishing amateur programs when the current crop of HWs were still in development.

    It might not always be needed, but it's probably the most helpful thing for a fighter's future.

    If you were to ask those fighters who didn't have the opportunity to compete in their youth, they would probably say they wish they could have and that it would have been a lot of help.

    Sometimes the way it's noted is out of place though...
     
  4. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree that what you accomplished as an amatuer means jack **** when you are a pro. You are wrong about the whole thing of most great pros not being anything special as amatuers. The vast majority of them had stellar amatuer careers.
     
  5. TFFP

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    Yes, of course it matters. It's not everything, it doesn't mean you can't be a good pro if you weren't anything special in the amateurs, however its no coincidence a lot of the top fighters have good to very good amateur records; Joe Calzaghe for instance.
     
  6. DINAMITA

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    Thanks very much for that.

    But if you read my thread-start, you will see I wasn't asking what amateur boxing is for, I was saying I don't rate it enough to include it in a list of a professional boxers achievements. Do you agree or not?
     
  7. nickfoxx

    nickfoxx On The Nod Full Member

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    i think it means quite a bit, when u see two boxers with the same sort of level of opposition and the same record, etc, and one guy has a lot of amateur experience and one guy doesnt, oftentimes the guy with the experience gets the W

    i think its an important tool esp if youre handicapping fights
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    I think Joe Calzaghe has achieved enough as a pro that he doesn't need anyone to mention his amateur career in discussing the guy. Amateur means nothing IMO.
     
  9. TFFP

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    We can mention it if we want, why not?

    Especially if its to counter people saying he has little skill and is sloppy, which is often the case.

    And ESPECIALLY if he knocked out some damn good fighters when he is a slapper :yep
     
  10. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    lennox lewis/pernell whitker/sugar ray leonard/DLH//roy jones/
    all launched there careers and made huge ammounts of money early on the back of what they did early compared to fighters who were not so succesfull.

    ask riddick bowe who no one wanted to sign up and whose name is forever linked to lewis despite what he did as a pro.

    and starting a whole thread to try and discredit me in another thread we are debating is lame.
     
  11. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that you guys are misinterpretting the opening post. he is not saying that amatuer experience does not help in the pros. The way I interpreted it is that your accomplishments as a pro don't mean anything when summing up your career as a pro it's like listing your high school football accomplishments when bragging about your NFL career. at least that's the way I interpreted it and I completly agree.
     
  12. TheChamp1000

    TheChamp1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why do you hate Joe Calzaghe so much that the majority of your posts are sleighting him or other people who answer you hate posts? This is a thinly veiled attack on some poster who stated Calzaghe had a good am. career in another of your Calzaghe hate posts.
    Seriously your Ph D should be in hate.
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Getting an Olympic medal especailly with this currupt scoring is nothing IMO. If you did back in SRLs day before they changed the system it meant a lot more. With that said having an amatuer pedigree is very important and you can usually tell those that haven't have one. It also doesn't mean you'll be a sure fire success if you go 100-0 either much like winning a gold doesn't
     
  14. TheChamp1000

    TheChamp1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    With today's scoring RJJ would have a gold medal not a silver. The scoring was awful back then. I am not sure what the system was in SRL's day? Different or the same to how RJJ got robbed?
     
  15. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    from memory it was more like pro boxing with rounds being awarded.

    and the boxing was much more like the proffesional boxing we see without all the amatuer rules we have today.

    but on the downside it was very corrupt which is why it was changed , with judges voting for either there countrymen or on what side of the cold war fence the boxer came from and sometimes nothing to do with what went on in the ring.