Do you think that amateur pedigree means much in the pro game??

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Aug 18, 2008.


  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont think their great pro's because they were great amateurs though. Moreso, I think their great natural boxers hence why they made great pro's and amateurs. Take Roy Jones for example, great amateur, take away his amateur career and learn on the pro's (have 50 fights before stepping up) and he would have been equally as good.

    Some were just born to box and is naturally adept to it, just so happens amateurs comes before pro's and it shows there first.
     
  2. TheChamp1000

    TheChamp1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ah cheers, I watched the RJJ robbery on youtube again. I am not sure I can watch it again it's too painful. Years of work and a great performance on the day just to be robbed by home bias and corruption. Sickening.
     
  3. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    it was a disgrace.


    4 years before in los angles olympics a south korean boxer felt he had been robbed and staged a sit down protest in the ring and was even there when they turnbed the lights out,
    it made world wide news.
    that was brought up in south korea by the koreans themselves as to the roy jones result

    despite the corruption amatuer boxing was still better then and produced more rounded fighters for the pro game .

    this point system rewards single punches.
    its hardly worth throwing a combo as they do not get scored.

    hardly surprising when some of the judges seem to be from papua new guniea and andorra and other countries where boxing hardly takes place.
     
  4. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You may or may not be right. Without the amatuer fights that Roy jones had he would have been much rustier when he started as a pro. he may have suffered some early losses that he never bounced back from and we may have never heard of him.

    in sports like in anything else in life it helps tremendously to get some experience before you step up against the big boys.
     
  5. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    I genuinely wasn't starting a whole thread to try and discredit you, not at all mate, the amateur thing is just something that has irritated me for a long time, whenever it gets brought up. You were the first person who I had noticed mentioning it in a while, and I had never got round to starting a thread to see what other people thought.

    I'm sure there is an equally impressive list of fighters who did not have great amateur pedigree.
     
  6. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    This is utter utter garbage. This thread has abolsutely nothing to do with Joe Calzaghe or any other posters, or anything at all except amateur boxing and how it should be rated. Grow the **** up.
     
  7. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Thankfully, someone actually understands this thread.
     
  8. slapsSOgood

    slapsSOgood Active Member Full Member

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    an Olympic gold medal means more than half of the professional world title belts, and that's not even a joke.

    Why wouldn't you be proud of a fantastic amateur career? Because you werent getting paid big bucks? That's a **** reason. The sport is a slightly different animal but it's still the same beast.
     
  9. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think it's a great foundation. but it's not the be all end all in the pros. it means very little on how a professional career pans out. i think a lot of mexican fighters only have rudimentary amateur backgrounds, but a lot have been succesful in the pros.
     
  10. mgal7414

    mgal7414 Member Full Member

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    Settle down; that was a pretty terse response to a genuine post.

    Of course it matters. When people are fighting for regional belts etc, noting their Olympic achievements is more than fine. World titles etc, it is a different matter entirely, but, as said, it is generally a pretty good guide to skill level. As Audley Harrison proves however, it has no bearing on many other aspects of being a pro eg heart, chin, determination etc.
     
  11. SOUTHERMOST

    SOUTHERMOST Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Winning a gold medal open lot's of door especially in this country coming from the Olympics with a medal around your neck and you will have the top promoters on your door step with a juicy contract. Responding to the thread nothing is guarantee on the pro there is an extensive list of fighters with hundreds of fights by the time they turn pro their career is short I have seen a bunch of Cuban fighters with a very good pedigree wasted basically all depend how long you stay amateur.
     
  12. TheChamp1000

    TheChamp1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why dont you shut the **** up, doctor of thug-enomics.

    Has that bumped your hate thread enough?

    The poster you aimed this thread at has even been on to comment on exactly what you have done :patsch

    I await your threads on 'punches not slaps', 'Is the 0 that important', 'should you let your dad be your trainer' and various other topics that have nothing to do with the welsh wizard.
     
  13. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    But he was wrong you ****ing ignoramus. He merely reminded me of something which I and my friends have discussed before- and we disagreed, so I thought I'd put it out there on the forum. This has nothing to do with him or what he said, this is a genuine thread because I'm interested in peoples views on it.

    If you actually bothered to read a lot of my posts on Calzaghe, you would see they are anything but hate. You are just a fanboy child who scream hate when anyone registers a legitimate criticism of your chosen idol. Pathetic.

    But you can think what you like because I'm not interested in explaining myself any further to a dung-beetle like you- **** off.
     
  14. TheChamp1000

    TheChamp1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yawn, not a fan boy of calzaghe, you will note I am in the class of prime RJJ beats him, Mediocre Resume but great fighter. Not greatest of the last 25 years by any means.
    I dont like the hate for european boxers being bums because americans have not heard of them.
    I dont subscribe to the idiots who tell me that Joe Calzaghe and Fwank Warren split up because Warren wanted Pavlik (less money) not Jones (more money) so on these points you will see me stick my nose into a post.
    I think they are more common sense than fan boy-ish.

    When I do start stating he is the best fighter ever, you have my permission to load up the shot gun and put me out of my misery.
     
  15. joecaldragon

    joecaldragon Guest

    Thug?! Hate?! I haven't been on this forum for long, but even though PACFAN and I are on opposite sides of the Calzaghe debate (in fact, not even opposite really. Pac always says he thinks Calzaghe has great talent and ability but just not the resume of an ATG, whereas I disagree and think he has already done enough to be an ATG), I can see that he is an eloquent and well respected poster.

    You on the other hand, appear to be a prized arsehole, chasing the guy around threads and giving him abuse. I second that motion- **** off.