Do You Think That Ancestry Plays A Major Role In A Fighter?

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  1. elindiomonzon

    elindiomonzon Active Member Full Member

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    aztecs(mexico): there is a shitloads of mexican fighters that today they resemble the characteristics of those legendary warriors(arce, mijares,vasquez, marquez, ponce de leon, morales, barrera etc).the aztecs were known for his fearsome characteristics and that they were very skilled hunters.

    vikings(norway,denmark,sweden): if u are thinking of a fighter with viking ancestry mikkel kessler comes to mind instantly.very tough, strong and fearless,just like his ancestors.

    mocovies(argentina): they have almost the same characteristics as their mexican counterparts, but they were bigger and taller, good exaples are carlos monzon, carlos baldomir, julio cesar vasquez, jorge barrios, jorge castro and juan roldan.

    zulu(south africa): i dont really know too much about them just that they were fearless warriors.

    what im trying to say with this post is that, do you think that their ancestry "helped" them in a way to achieve their succes in their carreers.this post maybe look stupid for some but im very interested about this topic.thanks
     
  2. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it can but not nessecarily for the reasons you pointed out.

    Genetically, there is only a very weak link between then and now. As far as genes go, it's going to be your parents and grandparents who make the difference. I imagine Jones had very athletic relatives, for instance. Like they say, fighters are born not made. This is where genes are diectly involved, but it's only recent relatives who have a factor.

    However, as far as personalities go, I think there is a link. Again, not genetically, but people have a sense of pride in their heritage and follow the sterotypes of their ancestors. Look at modern English athletes. If yo could sum up a generation of sports stars, for all the faults we have, we are definetly gritty and don't give in. It's that sense of pride which has been established over thousands of years and is still common in Britain today. When the Romans tried invading Britain they noted how we were a proud people. People said it throughout history, right the way up to World War II. That grit and determination is synonymous with Britain and it's people. So in that sense, ancestory does dictate a fighters attitude.
     
  3. elindiomonzon

    elindiomonzon Active Member Full Member

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    thats a good point there jack
     
  4. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    I'm An Aztec Warrior Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    No, otherwise you would see primitive tribalistic type races producing the best fighters, i.e a thousand Ike Ibeabuchis.

    Or in the case of the Pacific Islanders who were war faring even 100 years ago and were known as the fiercest warriors, why is there none near the Top 10 in any division.
     
  6. andyZOR

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  7. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    I don't want no grilled cheese. PASS THE WIRE PASS THE WIRE!!!!!!!!
     
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    No more Locked Doors!

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  9. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    yea real ancient warriors
     
  10. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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  11. andyZOR

    andyZOR Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yea me too lol.
     
  12. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not really.
     
  13. elindiomonzon

    elindiomonzon Active Member Full Member

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    why not?i think that at least it has something to do. argentinians and mexicans have it in their genes.awesome chins, strong, tough fighters, hot temper,proud people. they dont have the same characteristics as their european counterparts. i agree that not everything is related to ancestry but i guarantee that some things are forged by "blood" thats for sure.
     
  14. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Kudos for coming up with an interesting topic!

    I think the way a fighter fights has less to do with ancestral genetics - but possibly influenced by his heritage. I think that a fighter's heritage could play a very important role in preparing young fighters to become fighters by giving them myths to live up to. Samurai. Shaolin. Vikings. Aztec warriors. For America - the legends of cowboys comes to mind. Young warriors wanting to live up to that heritage will no doubt keep it somewhere in the back of their minds drawing courage, inspiration and strength from it.
     
  15. geppy

    geppy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Weird you should mention "Jones". RJ SR. was a pro fighter and he wasn't very good at all.

    RJ Sr. finished with a 12-8 record, and lost every time he stepped up in class. You would never expect his son to be a great fighter, but he was.

    http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=17113&cat=boxer