Do You Think That Ancestry Plays A Major Role In A Fighter?

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  1. Mohak

    Mohak RIP Smokin' Joe Full Member

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    How many Ricans are descended from those tribes though? Seems like most Puerto Ricans are either Spanish, African or a mix of both. Poverty has a greater say over a fighter than his descendants,
     
  2. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They are a mixture of all three to one degree or another as is the case in all Latin American countries where Spanish and Blacks met with indians. Multitudes of Black slaves escaped in the Americas and bred with the indians. They were referred to as Cimmerones and most often reeked havoc against the Spanish.

    This brings up another factor that I hadnt thought of which is the fact that a greater mixture of gene pools always produces greater vigor
     
  3. Mohak

    Mohak RIP Smokin' Joe Full Member

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    Cool info.

    A greater mix does help, but if you take somewhere like Brazil for instance, they ain't really the best athletes. But the mixture did produce some super hot women. A mixture of the gene pool can't hurt though. Thinking about it, places like Samoa and East Europe are pretty isolated from the rest of the world, so not too much of a mixture in their gene pool, but they produce some immensely strong weightlifters. :think
     
  4. Brickhaus

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    Isn't Kessler half English genetically?
     
  5. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are right, there are other factores that produce vigor. Islands always seem to have a rapid and powerful effect on one's genes. Some animals get very big and some animals shrink within a relatively short period of time-it all has to do with miraculous survival mechanisms. Pacific Islanders such as the Samoans and Hawaiians are more mixed than most realize though because we now know that they intermingled and traded with both the American Indian and Southeast Asians and had African blood as well. On the other hand, Mexicans are not as mixed as say Panamanians and Puerto Ricans but they dominate boxing at least as much. Cold weather climates produces types of mental and physical vigor so that could be a factor. Panamanians once dominated boxing like Puerto Ricans but they have really slacked off in boxing over the years which some say has to do more with a change toward a more business-man-like attitude
     
  6. magnificentdave

    magnificentdave Constant Reminder Full Member

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    Don't forget the Arians, who according to the WW2 Germans are superhuman if bred pure.

    But seriously . . . Any nation with a military tradition in it's past will have a history of "fearless warriors".
     
  7. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually the Eastern Europeans bred heavily with the Jewish tribes and there are often tinges of Mongoloid features observed as well
     
  8. bandeedo

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    every race has every type of personality type in pretty much the same percentage. even in ones own family you can find these different spirits or personality types. who doesn't have an uncle that excels at kicking ass or a couisin who you suspect is gay because he's so afeminate. It is the influence of culture that determines which type rises in stature. the brain, the warrior, the artist, the holy man, etc...
     
  9. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    V good point
     
  10. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The pitbull etc....:lol:

    Culture has its influences but if the tough guy in the family was raised under the the same culture as the afeminate then you have to look deeper; or are thinking along the lines of how most famailies influence personality/behavior via their formations of family hero, mascot, blacksheep etc..?

    Hmm I guese it takes both nature and nurture and of coarse supernatural invention:think
     
  11. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Aztecs, Vikings, Africans, etc. - all of these were eventually stomped on, conquered and coloniolized by Europeans. And Western Europeans are generally regarded as soft boxers, these days. Poof! There goes your ethnic/genetics theory.
     
  12. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    thats what i mean. If family and culture reward and idolise the warrior then the the other personalities will be pressured to imitate even if it is not who they are deep down. you are going to still have those others but they will get pushed into the background. so in a warrior society it will seem that they are breeding a larger percentage of fighters when in fact other personalities would rather be warriors than second class citizens.
     
  13. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont think ancient ancestory has near as much influence as a father or grandfather but genetics and agression has been proven in multiple scientific studies. Here is one example that is to the point [FONT=&quot]http://special.newsroom.msu.edu/hyenas/index.html

    Poverty can definately influence but what about Sugar Ray Leonard, Antonio Barrera, Ricky Hatton, Floyd Mayweather, Roy Jones etc.... Some of these guys had very tough lives but do not seem to have been poverty stricken. Ray leonard was suppoedly a shy quire boy and the least agressive of five brothers who only started boxing when a gym opened up down the road from his house. I have heard of similar traits with Barrera.
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  14. elindiomonzon

    elindiomonzon Active Member Full Member

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    u got to put in mind too that the indians that fought against the spanish had just a bow and an arrow and maybe a knife.in the other hand the spaniards had cannons, guns, blades, swords and some other **** and they still had a rough time with them. when the spaniards arrive for the first time in argentina they were send back to their country with their ass between their legs like four times until they realize that the had to bring more people and guns .
     
  15. maracho

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    I dont think the muzzle loaders were that great an advantage especially when the Aztecs had the atlatl, lances, very good armor, etc.. and many more warriors. What tipped the scales in the Spaniards favor were dogs, horses, various aztec hating Indian tribes, and the fear of loosing as prophesied by the Feathered Serpent