Do You Think That Ancestry Plays A Major Role In A Fighter?

Total preposterous bull**** with no thought given to individual will or spirit...
love of the sport, sacrafice, guidance or sportmanship. Decent hand eye coordination and a love of the sport thats whats important. Race does not have a damn thing to do with what you do. Its all about culture the cultural aspects of a region and its impact on the style a fighter has the tendency to adopt, doesnt hold true every time and is not the almighty determining factor in ****. You can be a great fighter and be and do anything and everything its so much more mental than anyone understands.

 

With humans the mind and spirit are definately more important but the genes role in fighting cant be denied. 9 outa 10 times the untrained pitbull will whip the untrained German Shepherd even if the Shepherd is mentally sure hes gonna tear the smaller dog up

 

Man, I can't believe how ignorant people are, especially of their own culture. Considering I'm from Mexico and I'm studying history at the university right now let me educate some fools.

Most Mexicans and most Argentinians have little ethnic background in common. Argentina is a people consisting mainly of Italian descent. Look up the history and you'll know why.

Ever since the Mexican Revoltion of 1910, Mexico has demonized it's European roots and resolved to celebrate it's indigenous past. Getting past that, the power structures never changed and instead has allowed for stereo-typing, even of oneself. Mexico is more than brown people who descended from Aztecs and where sombreros and eat beans. Mexican is not a race, it's a nationality. Mexico consists mainly of three ethnic branches Ameri-indians, Mestizos (mix between european, and Europeans ancestry. I myself am Mestizo. The higher classes still consist of people mainly of European descent, and the lower classes, mainly Ameri-indians. The Ameri-indian groups are very diverse and consist more than Aztecs. Aztec is term refering to Aztlan, birth place of the Aztec people. However their god Huitzilopochtli ordered his people to never identify themselves as Azteca, the name of their former masters. People of "Aztec" ancestry actual call themselves Nahua and speak Nahuatl. If you were a Nahuatl from Tenochtitlan, now Mexico City you would be "Mexica" where we get the term Mexico. Tarascan is also a vulgar term given by the Spanish, and they call themselves Purepecha. The Purepecha was another group of Amerindians who held an empire nearly as strong as the Mexica and were never conquered by the Mexica because they knew how to mold bronze into weapons. Regardless there were many many many indigenous groups, somewhere near the 50's. Mexico today protects all languages spoken as national languages, nearly 100's, mostly different indigenous languages.

Regardless, it's a myth to take up an identity that doesn't exist anymore. The Nahuatl people don't classify themselves as "Aztec Warriors", they are people with their own customs. Customs don't stay stagnant, they change over time. The "Aztecs" of the past were just as violent as the Spanish, they were an Empire and they killed and sacrificed many people and took advantage of the resources. I can't deny my ancestry regardless of how violent they were, but I can learn from both and admire some of the better aspects of both and decide where I want to take my life from there.

As far as boxing goes, I have to say boxing is ruled by the poverty stricken and the rich, not by ethnicity. The rich, well easy, they can afford the best trainers, nutrition, equipment, aford to go to training camps, travel, etc. They have people to bring them up the right way. However to be the best, need to be a phenomenal athlete (Ex: Most of the Olmpic boxers). The poor are a more interesting stroy. In the U.S. used to be ruled by the Irish and Italians when they were the most disenfranchized group in the U.S. now it's African-Americans. Why do you think that would be? Two reasons, people who have money don't need to get into boxing and damage themselves when they can have a secure career without pain. People not as fortunate, they need to get money somehow, why not use your body. That's also part of the drive, needing to win for the paycheck. However, the poor who make it through, they are much more talented athletes, even more so than rich athletes (Ex: Chavez, hardly any amateur experience, went pro to make money). They don't have the convenience of good trainers, etc. There are plenty of people who still end up fighting at clubs every weekend for not much pay (ex: most boxers you don't see on TV).

 

Absolutely correct I knew this all along its the blood of the forefathers that run through their veins:nut

 

Aztecs might have had more back up among local tribes if they weren't so busy human sacrificing them. That'll lose you some potential allies there.

The Spanish came mostly with swords, backed by musket. But a Spaniard fighting an Aztec is like me fighting an 8 Y.O. There is only so much a 4 foot 6 inch man is capable of.

 

I think you must have misunderstood my passage. I'm offended by your posts for two reasons. A.) The Aztecs didn't rule all of Mexico, if I were to go by region, I'd be more closely identified as Purepecha who are still alive today. If you look at all the great Mexican boxers, some of them were as dark as the Amerindian people and some of them as light as Europeans. So no I don't buy into this genetic heritage crap. Obviously a lot of great fighters have come from various backgrounds.

B.) why not?i think that at least it has something to do. argentinians and mexicans have it in their genes.awesome chins, strong, tough fighters, hot temper,proud people. they dont have the same characteristics as their european counterparts. i agree that not everything is related to ancestry but i guarantee that some things are forged by "blood" thats for sure.

Look I have lots of Argentinian friends and we have a lot in common. Boxing, soccer, speaking spanish are part of our shared traits. As much as Argentinians and Mexicans have in common, they also have a lot of variations between them. I'm not sure if you were born in Argentina, but when I visited, someone as dark as me will usually get a lot of slack. The average Argentinian is a lot lighter than the avergage Mexican.


The indigenous groups of Argentina consisted of the Incas, Guarani, the Mapuchines, and many various groups. Unfortunately many have died since the conquest due to the diseases the Europeans brought over and various discrimination tactics. (This is not just Argentina of the past, Mexico today discriminates their own indigenous people).
Here's a quote from Wikipedia just so you get a sense of what I'm talking about:
Citizens of European descent make up the great majority of the population, with estimates varying from white 89.7%[47] to 97%[48] of the total population. The last national census, based on self-ascription, indicated a similar figure.[49] A study conducted by Argentine, Swedish and North American institutions, established that the genetic average structure of the Argentine population, contains 79,9% of European contribution[50]. After the Spanish colonists, waves of European settlers migrated to Argentina from the late nineteenth to mid-twentieth centuries. Major contributors included Italy (initially from Piedmont, Veneto and Lombardy, later from Campania and Calabria),[51] Spain (foremost among them Galicians and Basques,[52] and France (mostly to Buenos Aires and Mendoza).[citation needed] Smaller but significant numbers of immigrants came from Germany and Switzerland (to the Lakes Region of Patagonia; and to Córdoba), Scandinavia, (Denmark, Norway and Sweden), Greece, Lebanon, the United Kingdom and Ireland (to Buenos Aires, Santa Fé, and Patagonia; see also English settlement in Argentina), and Portugal. Eastern Europeans were also numerous, from Poland, Hungary, Russia, Ukraine, Croatia and Slovenia[53] and Lithuania, as well as Balkan countries (Romania Serbia and Montenegro, particularly in Chaco)[citation needed]. There is a large Armenian community, and the Patagonian Chubut Valley has a significant Welsh-descended population.

But just because Argentina is mostly white and Mexico is mostly mixed doesn't have much affect on their boxing. What I'm saying, regardless of how white or how dark I think people can still be great boxers. Looking at it from an heritage stanpoint opens the door for racist views.

 

Good point,mate!

Besides a scary nation like the Germans who ruled europe and great parts of the world with terror and murder are soft as silk nowasdays. 60 years ago the entire planet was trembling with fear and horror when the mighty and invincible German armny defeated one nation after another.

Boxing is a mind game,and so is war. Societies form warriors and fighters.It has nothing to do with their genetic heritage. An aggressive and violent society produces violent and aggressive individuals.

 

The eastern europeans,eh????? Who are the eastern europeans?

I have never seen a Polish face with mongoloid features,and neither have I seen a Bulgarian or Czech face with mongoloid features.

Bred heavily with the Jewish tribes?? :roll:

 

If you really believe that then you are even more ignorant than I originally suspected. The Spaniards had several hundred thousand Indian warriors who were tired of paying tribute to the Aztecs. Even if you didn't know this, how does anyone with an education come to the conclusion that 600 men can defeat the Aztec Empire with muskets and swords? Are you really that mentally handicapped?

 

[FONT=&quot]The Mongol and Tarter hoards bred with Eastern European woman (yes including Polish woman) as they pleased for roughly 300 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Occupation_of_Eastern_Europe

Here are some results of their affairs:

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Dariusz Michalczewski of Poland

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]kostya tzu of the Ural mountains (separates Asia from Europe)

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]zsolt erdei of Hungary

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[/FONT]Vito Antuofermo of Italy

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Klitchko in Kiev Ukraine Among Eastern Europeans with some Mongol descent

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Two more boxers with Mongol features. [/FONT]

 

If you didnt know that then I guess there is no hope or maybe your in denial of your own mixed bloodatsch