Do you think using a 'strength and conditioning' coach will help or hinder....

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  1. Ezzard Charles

    Ezzard Charles Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Money May?

    seriously, he'd never used a dedicated S&C coach...

    he's been successful managing his training and weight himself, what could Alex Ariza being to the table that could help Mayweather?

    Honestly, I think it could do more harm... most strength and conditioning guys like fighters to taper off training with a week out... Mayweather's never done that could lead to him detraining, he might even recommend carrying a higher training weight and a water cut to make weight which Mayweather's never done.... this could all be detrimental to his performance....

    although I've seen the rotator cuff stretches/ strengthening he does, which is obviously useful.... but any sports physio could do that, and might be better equipped at doing it.....
     
  2. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Hinder he is a pure boxer if it ain't broke don't try to fix it
     
  3. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    Help.

    Floyd has always overtrained. It's just now that he's close to 40, that he's feeling the effects. His last 2 fights against Maidana are evidence.

    Times have changed. BOXING has evolved and science is proving that the days of just jogging for miles on end , is really not the ideal preparation in terms of conditioning. Obviously Alex isn't going to change Floyd's system of training, but Floyd can truly benefit from tweaking his body. I'm thinking plyometrics and explosive movements more than anything instead of standard cardio. Also boxing training is Floyd's main focus, the strength and conditioning is a compliment to the boxing. He'll be fine.
     
  4. BEATDOWNZ

    BEATDOWNZ Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Hinder? Floyd has overtrained himself for MANY years!

    You tell me why a defensive wizard with an appalling punch-output per round (let alone per fight), who has ZERO KO power trains like he does and as often as he does?

    Ariza will add a few more years to Floyd's career.

    The running for 10 miles (it's silly that Boxers still do this), will be replaced with sprints (on a track, not concrete), swimming and cycling.

    He'll be lifting weights to get him stronger, he'll do less of the ridiculous shadow-boxing with dumbells.

    Core exercises will be consist of swings, squats and deadlfts - not that ancient floor routine he has had for nigh-on 20 years.

    Ariza will blow his mind with techniques. Unlike Ellerbe who used to hold Floy's ankles whilst he did sit ups! LOL!

    You guys know nothing about S&C coaches if you think they don't make you a better, stronger, more explosive version of yourself.
     
  5. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    Agree with entire post:thumbsup
     
  6. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Have any of you actually trained an athlete ?
    Changing what they do this close to a big event is the number one mistake made by athletes and inexperience coaches .
     
  7. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    Yes I have. A couple, though they weren't professional athletes.

    It's not that Floyd needs to change his whole system, but he could definitely benefit from adding some additional compliments to his training at this stage of his career. Again his sluggish performances as of late are not coincidences.
     
  8. BEATDOWNZ

    BEATDOWNZ Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    And Floyd is that clueless that he has signed his rivals S&C coach, yes?

    I'm pretty sure, that for even how dense Floyd is, if he thought he was going to mess things up he wouldn't have hired him.
     
  9. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.

    Changing things for this fight could have a positive impact or it could have a negative impact psychologically. Floyd doesn't need to take that risk imo.
     
  10. fruitpunch

    fruitpunch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ariza is just there for show

    Hes not gonna do a damn thing other than carry towels :lol:
     
  11. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    To late in the game to be experimenting ..I don't see how they benift boxers when training formulas for success have been around for years it's the lack of execution that gets fighters in trouble .
     
  12. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I agree. There's a vid of Mayweather looking very, very uneasy about Ariza even stretching him. Ariza was even telling him to calm down because Floyd didn't like doing something new, and it was just a normal back stretch! I don't think Mayweather trusts him enough, and I think Mayweather trusts his own self more.

    Ariza won't do much other than show Floyd new stretches and what not. Because, if Floyd is undefeated training his style, I doubt he'll take the risk to change it...especially when it is the biggest fight ever.
     
  13. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, Ariza kept trying to bulk Manny up and using a lot of polymetrics. Manny ended up stopping Ariza's conditioning routine because he was getting really bad cramping in his calves in training and during fights.
     
  14. fruitpunch

    fruitpunch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep. Mayweather is a control freak

    You think hes gonna allow some guy like Ariza to come in and start introducing entire new work outs and ****? No way.
     
  15. aramini

    aramini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    and yet ... you see guys gassing against Floyd, looking exhausted. You see him dominating people for years with his "ancient floor routine". Because the truth of the matter is modern strength and conditioning makes a whole lot of guys look tight. Why has Floyd been so successful if his routine is so athletically counterproductive? I feel like this is a legitimate area to question the actual practical validity of all these "modern techniques."