Do you think using a 'strength and conditioning' coach will help or hinder....

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  1. Ezzard Charles

    Ezzard Charles Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you're right.... last camp.... ariza apparently introduced some stretches...

    i guess he'll add a couple of things this time round, remove some outdated things.... but keep changes to a minimal....

    and tweak floyd's program every fight until he's implemented all his training protocols....

    boxing's a skill based sport.... practicing the skill is far more important than strength and conditioning....

    sparring, pads, bag work are still the most important aspects of what make up the training.
     
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    Ezzard Charles Well-Known Member Full Member

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  3. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Floyd is an overtrained state, it's too late to help him now, at least for this next fight.

    It can take months or years to overcome the damage he's done from years and years of overtraining.
     
  4. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with this. Boxing is a 'movement,' sport, so he needs a coach that specializes in movement, in which strength is a by product.

    That doesn't mean he shouldn't do strength training, I just don't believe he should engage in traditional strength training which revolves around back squatting and bench pressing.

    There are other ways to improve full body strength that don't involve typical training protocols. Even the NFL is having success, especially concerning injuries, by hiring 'movement' guys instead of 'strength' to condition their athletes.

    Also, for anyone who's boxed before, shadow boxing with dumbbells is a great exercise. I have no idea why people on this board don't think so. It leads me to believe they have very little experience.

    I think shadow boxing should be done with varying weights, weightless, and with gloves on.
     
  5. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also, Ariza might be a hack. It seems like there is Ariza on one side of the spectrum and Heredia on the other.

    From what I've seen, I don't like either. Sure, Marquez was able to KO Pacquaio, but he was easily outboxed by Bradley in a fight where a few years ago, the fight would have been much closer.

    There was too much focus on maximal strength and not enough on mobility. Heredia is a maximal strength guy and his program is predicated around what's good for a track athlete.

    A track athlete runs in a straight line.
     
  6. J.BULLA

    J.BULLA Well-Known Member Full Member

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    With how we know doping is so rife in sport is it that outrageous to believe part of reason Floyd only fights the same dates every year under the same commission is suspicious in any way ? When successful doping relis much on consistent schedule ?

    Not accusing , just a question
     
  7. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Any edge he can get will help him.
     
  8. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It doesn't take years to overcome over training. It takes weeks.
    It's very likely if he did over train he would be better after a few months.

    Bradley over trained in both Pacquiao fights and suffered injuries because of it. Admittedly Bradley is a lot younger than Mayweather but Mayweather looked superb in his last fight.
     
  9. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It depends on the level of adaptation to overtraining, and not all adaptation is positive.

    And no, Mayweather looked highly vulnerable in his last fight.

    I have to ask, is the only other fight you've seen in your entire life, Gatti vs Ward???

    Because then I can understand you saying Mayweather looked superb.

    And Bradley's calves have problems, but so have Pacquaio's. They were probably doing calf raises. That's the only time I've ever had issues with my calves.
     
  10. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wasn't Ariza his "S&C coach" last fight against Maidana too? Or not?
     
  11. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know. It's hard to say what role Ariza played in his camp.

    I agree with what you said earlier. I'm not sure Ariza was of much of significance.

    Floyd doesn't seem the trusting type. He even fired Ellerbe, his closest advisor; however, that also may be a sign that he wanted to switch things up in camp.

    Ellerbe often helped Floyd in training. At least, that was my perception, as he often held Floyd's feet during sit ups.
     
  12. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with this. I think the concentration on movement/mobility/flexibility is even more important as an athlete gets older.
     
  13. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Absolutely.

    People should understand that Bernard is outside the standard deviation. He's the outlier. He's not the norm.

    It's really remarkable what he's done.

    Very few people have the combination of discipline and capacity to do what he's done in the sport.

    There are mechanisms that you can take advantage of to mitigate the biological process, but as far as I know, nobody has been able to win the battle against age.