Do you think Zab Judah would have beaten Danny Garcia prime-for-prime?

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  1. McGrain

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    Garcia beat Judah pretty one-sided in their real life fight, but Judah was brilliant in 10,11 and 12, surprisingly and thrillingly. Garcia didn't like what he got.

    The fight was already gone by then though.

    Judah won maybe one of the first six and after his eighth round visit to the canvas the fight was essentially over. So how would Danny have done with with the younger Judah?
     
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  2. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Yep. Gift Garcia would lose to the old men he went life and death with in their primes.
     
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  3. African Cobra

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    He would need to fight an intelligent fight and Zab for all his physical and talent did not have the highest ring IQ.
     
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    Looked pretty high 10 through 12. High enough for Danny anyway.
     
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    That didn't really happen.
     
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  6. African Cobra

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    But he did not win did he? I think we are asking prime for prime and just don’t see him fighting the right fight to beat my man DSG.
     
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  7. UnleashtheFURY

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    I meant he went life and death with old men and would have lost to them in their primes.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    No, he just looked very smart in those last three rounds, he out-maneuvered, out-moveyod, chose the range on and tempo and fulfilled every requirement of ring generalship.
     
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  9. African Cobra

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    You are making my case and proving my point. That is how he should have started in rounds 1, 2 and 3 to build up a head of steam against DSG who can be a notoriously slow starter. I always found Zab a frustrating fighter. His physical gifts of speed, power and athleticism are fantastic with some dazzling combinations but his abilities not complemented by a great ring IQ has let him down. In my view an excellent champion and fighter who could have been so much more.
     
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  10. Sugar 88

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    Zab showed enough in their match up to be made the favourite in a prime for prime h2h match up but Zab's toughest opponent was always Zab so I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was dominating the fight before getting one shotted from a Garcia left hook.

    I'd also like to say that Angel Garcia is almost certainly a snitch.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    He was was struggling badly in the second half of fights.

    Here, he started slowly and finished very strongly.

    He has x to spend. You say he should have started fast. Very good. But he then would have finished slow, he was known for it, and then you would be saying he was dumb for spending it all before six. In fact, Judah put his foot down in the seventh and won it very clean. He was winning the eighth when he got dropped, then won the tenth, eleventh and twelfth. The problem was the knockdown - other than that he timed it perfectly, I think.

    But Judah was always chinny for a fighter of class. I wonder if Danny could always have found him regardless of the when.
     
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  12. African Cobra

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    A championship fighter should be able to do the 12 rounds well. In my opinion I actually think Zab’s problems were to do with his mentality and making the correct decisions under pressure a bit like a flat track bully. If he starts well then Danny is behind on the scorecards that in itself creates a pressure on DSG. Yes we know DSG is mentally strong. Anyway good debate.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    This is a little much. If all fighters went out and went as hard as they could from the very first round, most of them would never complete a five round fight. Pacing, and the control of it is one of the most important aspects of generalship. You don't have to be a championship fighter to do five rounds well. Almost any human being can, including your grandad, at 2 punches per round. At 100 punches a round there are a tiny sliver of ATGs who can do that pace. In between is every professional fighter there has ever been.

    I think a look at his record makes me wonder if some if this might not be true. Pressure fights didn't agree with him. That's enough to make me wonder if he would have got Danny despite missing out on him by two rounds, arguably, in the first fight.
     
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    To be clear I am not saying that he should go flat out from the beginning and keep that pace. What I am saying is he could have started that fight well since DSG usually takes time to warm up and maintain composure and read what’s in front of you the whole fight. Going 160 miles per hour is no good if you are not accurate and winning the rounds. Pacing and control is important. My view in particular is Zab loses control of fights and himself during fights under pressure. Style wise he should be the type to give DSG fits but I was confident DSG would win due to his better mentality.
     
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