Documented occasions where a top fighter beat his opponent by deliberately frightening him?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    There's a surprising amount of talk in fantasy matchups about pre-fight staredowns, mind games in lead-ups to fights, etc. as being DECISIVE.

    I'm not talking general reputation, here. Of course people are going to be scared to face a monster puncher, or a great champion, or whatever. I'm talking specifically about the little tricks and gimmicks -- staredowns, insults in the press, psych-outs, scary dogs, deliberately small corner men to make yourself look bigger -- that one often hears talked about.

    How many occasions can this forum think of where there's good evidence of this actually working between top fighters? How many occasions are there when a fighter admits afterwards, "I was all ready to go, but my opponent terrified me in the staredown, and I could never recover from it"? Or a trainer says, "Yeah, my fighter was prepared to knock the other guy's block off, but then the staredown happened, and my fighter was totally paralyzed. Got knocked out because of it."

    People make much of Ali's prefight mind games, or how scary Liston looked when he stared at you. And these would probably do a number on a regular person. But the prefight mind games only seemed to make Frazier more determined, and Floyd Patterson was never going to survive going into the Liston meat grinder anyway.

    So: Documented instances where deliberate intimidation actually changed a fight's outcome. Any sources?
     
  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does Tyson Seldon count?
     
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  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I guess it depends if Seldon or those close to him left behind records attributing his performance to Tyson's intimidation tactics.
     
  4. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Michael Spinks was beaten in the dressing room by Tyson hitting lockers in the room next door apparently. Ken Norton never looked like he fancied the job against Foreman at any point.
     
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  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the film is good enough lol. Tyson knockout Seldon with the wind of his punches.
     
  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Might have just been fixed, though.
     
  7. Plumber From Liverpool

    Plumber From Liverpool Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson v Bruno 2 the amount of times poor Frank crossed himself on the ring walk
     
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  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good if I ever see Seldon, I am going to say you own me 50$ because of the PPV lol.
     
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  9. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Wasn’t the lockers, it was the walls. Tyson was literally punching holes in the walls. Spinks could hear it and someone told him what was occurring.

    Spinks manager below:
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There was a story I read many years ago about a fight with Bunny Sterling. I think it was a bout with Mark Rowe but I'm hoping our friends across the pond can help with this if they ever heard of it. Anyways, the story I read told of these two fighters in their respective dressing rooms and how Sterling or one of his cornermen discovered the walls were so thin in their adjoining rooms that the Sterling camp was listening to everything said and that Rowe (if it was him) was legitimately scared. So when fight time rolled around, Sterling and his camp played the angle for what it was worth. 'Angrily' stating what they were going to do with their opponent, etc. Again, I would hope any UK historians out there could help with that one.
     
  11. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I remember reading in Ring Magazine when Bunny Sterling lost to Jean Claude Bouttier in 1972.
     
  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Do we have anything from Spinks directly that he heard about this and it affected his performance? (I mean, it clearly spooked his manager, yeah.)
     
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  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    What about Liston and Patterson.
    I think there s a case for Floyd, really not wanting to share the ring with Liston,, can we blame him??
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    Spinks is hardly going to admit to being psyched out. The story never wavers in that Spink's could hear Tyson's pounding as he was next door.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Have a closer read Fergy -

    "I'm not talking general reputation, here. Of course people are going to be scared to face a monster puncher, or a great champion, or whatever. I'm talking specifically about the little tricks and gimmicks -- staredowns, insults in the press, psych-outs, scary dogs, deliberately small corner men to make yourself look bigger -- that one often hears talked about."
     
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