does a hard stiff jab count as much as a fast straight (orthodox) right power punch?

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  1. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    a question that i have constantly wrestled with-

    when i was watching valuev-ruiz there where many examples of my confusion when i saw valuev throwing fast hard jabs that looked about as strong as the haymakers that light heavyweights throw, yet ruiz was getting in some fast right hands that where not neccissarilly powerfull but considered power punches.

    i know compubox considers a jab a jab and any other punch a "power punch", yet some jabs carry about as much power as some power punches.
     
  2. Tencount85

    Tencount85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think so. Hard stiff jabs don't really do much damage compared to straight right. When do you see jabs putting people down or knocking them out for example? It happens, though it's rare. I consider the jab to be an effective punch, but mainly for setting up a power punch or measuring an opponent and keeping him off bay.
     
  3. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jabs are leading shots and nobody can expect to win a fight solely based on total output when powerpunch output is very weak compared with your opponent's. I always thought that a jab is basically a defensive weapon and very much more than a power counter-punch. These days, there are fighters who lead with big left hooks and throw sneaky, blistering and leading rights down the middle... The jab may happen to become a very damaging punch when it is thrown oftenly and with accuracy, snap and proper leverage, but it should be combined with a variety of other punches, otherwise you are not really fighting.
     
  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    If your snapping a man's head back with concussive force more than likely all the judges will pay attention. If you landing a quick, yet light shot chances are they may miss that, you could be sure at least one would be unable to see if it even landed if the opponant had their back to them.

    I thought Ruiz won for the record, but not as clear as the first fight. It doesnt bother me that Valuev got the nod, they are both god awful to watch at the best of times.
     
  5. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Most often, the jab doesn't count for as much as a straight right, unless you're talking about a matchup between Ike Quartey's jab and Miguel Cotto's right.
     
  6. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yeah, imo quarterys jab is a power punch :!:

    same as listons, foremans and brelands, yet they are jabs
     
  7. Jaaames

    Jaaames Well-Known Member Full Member

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    exactly
     
  8. gutto

    gutto Guest

    For me the jab is the key to boxing but to be fair there are different types of jab and different uses. A fast jab to keep your opponent away from you and to set up combinations. But the jab can also be a just as fast and powerfull as a cross.
     
  9. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Depends on the jab and how it's used. Some jabs can be nearly as hard as a cross. There are ones that Whitaker and other have thrown that the sound made from them connecting just makes you go "Ooh!"

    And a particularly fast or stiff jab can keep an opponent completely off balance or even neutralize their attack. Sure a jab probably won't knock someone out, but in a tactical fight it can count for much more than a power punch.
     
  10. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    if it snaps the head back or breaks the nose ect then i woudl consider it a powerpunch...a lead left cross would be a fitting description
     
  11. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    It's damn hard to beat a man that keeps a stiff, accurate, jab in your face all night.
     
  12. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It depends on how you throw it.. If you stand a little more square on and throw it more as a straight left.. It can be a great power punch , but for a typical Orthadox fighter, a hard left jab is what it is, and the more jarring shot is the right cross , or the left hook..

    But like everything in boxing there are always exceptions..

    Ali did an awful lot of things wrong according to the text books..

    But.. It worked..
     
  13. HawkFan16

    HawkFan16 Unshot/In My Prime Full Member

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    Well, unless the judges are on the other guy's side.:good
     
  14. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    People that had jabs like Quartey, Lewis, Monzon and Liston had strong jabs. Of course they are not as strong as their premier KO shot but a very hard jab can definately accumilate.

    I think Lewis KD someone with his. Didn't Larry Holmes knock someone out with a jab?
     
  15. HawkFan16

    HawkFan16 Unshot/In My Prime Full Member

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    I think Leonard knocked Benitez down with a jab early in their fight.