Does a prime Jack Dempsey beat the Joshua of today?

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  1. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    How so? (And I never liked that expression. What else are you going to do with cake? I've eaten it many times and was, believe it or not, in possession of it beforehand.)
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    OK; i reject the burden too.

    That's sorted now.
     
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  3. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Holy ****, I do't suppose you watch Loyd and Matt Easton as well?
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    Have you noticed any improvement in stamina ?
     
  5. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Fair enough, but let's be clear about what each of us is conceding:

    You're conceding that you haven't demonstrated that interval training is novel or especially efficacious, and I'm conceding that its efficacy remains, at least in this context, undetermined.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Well you get to challenge everyone for proof but don't have to provide anything in return.

    The saying is odd for sure but everyone knows what it means i would guess.
     
  7. McGrain

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    I don't think that's the job for interval training. Froch and Calzaghe both described being able to summon up thirty second bursts when exhausted that they put down directly to interval training. Might be true, might not be. But that's what it's geared at, making exhausted muscles behave explosively.

    Have you seen any differences? Or do you just think it's about career prolonging?
     
  8. McGrain

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    I'm not conceding anything at all.

    This idea that no claim can be made without the provision of scientifically peer-reviewed sources (when deemed necessary at random by someone who is arguing with you) isn't going to catch on i'm afraid :lol: Nothing is conceded by the refusal to produce them.
     
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  9. Sting like a bean

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    I'm happy to provide proof or freely admit that I can't, so long as you specify the claim you'd like me to prove.
     
  10. reznick

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    Yeah, maybe.
    Thinking out loud now, I can remember Ad Wolgast showing 30 second bursts in like the 40th round of a fight.

    It's so easy to mistake new terms for new concepts.
    Sometimes I get caught up in the new age terminology.

    But then I use a bit of reflective common sense, and realize that our ancestors were far more worldly people. Who dealt with animalistic physics on an everyday basis far more than us. The average person today stares at a screen for hours a day. I'm also a believer that you can go farther with self-realization than you can with any tool, including for physical activity.
     
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  11. Sting like a bean

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    I didn't say *no* claim can be made without formal scientific support. If you claim that blue boxing gloves are much more common in professional bouts than they were in 1940, I'm happy to let casual observation suffice to determine that claim, unless I guess anyone insists on contesting it.

    But if you say blue gloves have a psychological effect that makes the fighters less aggressive and results in objectively fewer punches thrown, you're going to need scientific evidence and I'm going to need absolutely nothing but passive skepticism.
    See how that works?
     
  12. McGrain

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    I'm saying i can make any claim i like without supporting it with direct science. The forum is the peer review.

    If ideas are challengable, trust me, they get challenge, and then the necessary legwork gets done, often by the group.

    See how that works?
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    That comes under stamina.

    No.
    And I don't think it's anything new anyway.

    Going "all-out" for short bursts ... aiming to lengthen those bursts, while shortening rest periods .... that's savagely old school.
     
  14. McGrain

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    I don't think I agree with that, but it doesn't matter.



    So you think interval training has always existed and that this surge of interest is just about fashion? And that Jack Johnson likely did as much interval training as, say, Anthony Joshua?
     
  15. Sting like a bean

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    Of course yo can make any claim you like. But you don't get to enjoy the imprimatur of science without actual scientific evidence. You're free to make all the armchair arguments you like, and those aren't necessarily wrong or unhelpful in determining what's most likely to be true.
    They're just not science.