Does a prime Jack Dempsey beat the Joshua of today?

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  1. McGrain

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    I'm learning more about this stuff by the minute.
     
  2. Sting like a bean

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    Lulz Hey, I tried to return to the primary topic several posts back, but people seem to find my ruminations on logic and epistemology as irresistible as they do irksome.
     
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  3. Sting like a bean

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    Not necessarily a bad thing.
     
  4. McGrain

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    So far the main things are:

    1) You can reject the burden of proof at any time but it means you can't claim science as a friend to your new idea. The fact that I didn't want science to be a friend to this new idea is of no matter.

    2) At any time I can demand that someone proves that I haven't already fulfilled their requirement, which can lead to a sort of stalemate where science is on nobody's side. The fact that I didn't want science to be a friend to this is of no matter.

    It's interesting stuff.
     
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  5. reznick

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    No no, I'm happy that we "Classicists" have a Philosophy PhD on our side.
    Some of these guys like to get tricky with abstract rationale (not McGrain btw)
    Your presence here is just the ultimate karmaic justice.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    It's definitely fashion.
    These days the interval training of someone like Joshua or Froch can fill space mainstream magazine space, sell products, etc., than at any other time. The training/fitness industry is huge and only grows, and "what the athletes do" is always a good sell. Interval training and high intensity training is especially appealing, getting fit in shorter work-outs.
    In turn, a professional guru or S&C coach, consultant/ 'expert' can appear to soup-it-up and sell it back to the athletes and take responsibility for getting them in shape.
    It's all crossed over now. Everyone feeds of each other.

    I've seen things come out re-packaged as "NEW" on regular cycles, in my lifetime. Diets, methods, concepts. Just the same things repeating and repeating. And it pre-dates my lifetime by decades.
    It's all more mainstream and discussed now and packaged in civilized or sophisticated terminology.
     
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  7. reznick

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    There is acceptable criteria for what can or cannot be proven.
    For instance, metaphysical claims cannot be proven (Do angels exist?)
    Neither can certain abstract ideas.

    I could be wrong, but I believe strings point of contention, to put it ever so eloquently, *pulls up sock to knee level while crossing legs,* is that you made a claim about physical training which can be materially proven, while you're asking him to prove an abstraction with no demonstrable tangibility.
     
  8. reznick

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    Does anyone else find it ironic that the most popular modern nutritional trend is the "Paleo Diet?"
    I think god is pulling a practical joke on us.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Yeah.

    But there seems to have been very little interval training in running in 1900, more in 1930, before it fell off after that (Fashion) before becoming prevalent in running during or right after WWII.

    So either, there was more structured interval training in boxing than running (which does not seem to be the case) or interval training became normal - not existing, normal - at some time after WWII.

    This is all conjecture and guessing of course, but it's got to be something like this, doesn't it? I mean I agree about selling, cross-polinating etc., but a given technique must evolve or devolve in almost any walk of life.
     
  10. reznick

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    This dude crossfits
    https://ka-perseus-images.s3.amazonaws.com/d3f665b7103e12b7d0d71d3fca784490cd0c4a0d.jpg
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Wee cocks on them but.
     
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  13. reznick

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    It's a good think they didn't use steroids.
     
  14. Sting like a bean

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    Well, I'm not a PhD yet and philosophy isn't my primary discipline. (I won't say what it is because I've already mentioned where I live and too much info could be used to dox me.)

    McGrain's an excellent poster even if it looks like I was giving him ****.

    I try to be as even handed as possible. For instance in that thread I posted on the video showing modern fighters hitting psi machines I expressed extreme skepticism even though those results would seem to strongly support us "classicists" if taken at face value.

    I wonder how many of the "modernists" would be similarly cautious if that machine showed Joshua punching 1300 psi instead of slightly under 900? Some would to be fair, but I can imagine there would be no small amount of unwarranted gloating too.