Does A Prime Marciano Beat The Joshua Of Today?

It's not a given at all but for starters, as some of us have argued in the past, Carnera often gave up his size advantages, appeared to have poor hand-eye coordination/bad reflexes & a very porous defense, often pawed with his jab (while leaning and reaching), and often pushed his rights, etc.

 

They aren't as good as Robinson's for one. The most impressive thing is jabbing off the right hand in order to increase its power. I was VERY unimpressed with his inability to finish off Ward even though Ward was there for the taking. He completely backed off and let him breath. His stamina isn't on point either. Gave away rds because he got tired. I thought he won the fight but he disappointed.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he's a basic one dimensional fighter. He's far from it but he isn't that versatile and doesn't apply enough pressure to beat Robinson. He probably would give Robinson problems but beat him? I don't see it. Not unless Robinson completely gassed. Then he would surely knock him out but I believe Robinson would slide to a UD.

 

Aren't you a stickler for cutting off the ring?
Something that Kovalev doesn't do.

Let me guess, there is an asterisk, just for Kovalev.
Oh, spare me the suspense...

 

This is what you call walking right up to someone slowly?
https://streamable.com/sea2

Marciano isn't a SHW. He doesn't plod like them.
As much as that fits the narrative you and many people believed for years, we have to move on from this.

He was explosive dynamite. Tyson has more explosive and quick bursts of attacks. But he took longer breaks. He didn't constantly work, and sometimes just stood in the clinch. He ran out of breath and energy at times. And like most boxers, his failed attacks cost him.

Rocky is like a non stop explosive machine. When he throws a punch, he also positions himself so that whether it lands or misses, he can throw another one right after. He doesn't end exchanges when they should be ended. If he's not punching he's working on something like this
https://streamable.com/qdjv

Stylistically, It's all mechanical. One punch sets up the next. It's all work. No confusion, no hesitance, pure intention every second.
https://streamable.com/s2xg3


Look at his reflexes
https://streamable.com/6oxyv
He has Savold gun shy like a Lomachenko opponent, not giving him an inch of the fight.

This is exactly the type of thing that could completely mess up AJ or Wlad:
https://streamable.com/3zkqp
You just don't expect the man across from you to do that. Never.
How the f does he launch a long distance overhand while going backwards? Not normal behavior. Special, clearly.

You think his damn reach is a problem? He covers more distance with power than anyone else I can think of.
https://streamable.com/mgk8j
https://streamable.com/wz3s

There are major improvements to be made in Boxiana.

 

AJ and Wlad might succeed in keeping him at bay with their jab for a few moments, but they might be googly eyed when he slips one, and they can't see him under their arm.

Both matches would be incredible.
Not an easy call.

 

Don't get your panties in a bunch. I haven't said anything about Kovalev's skills in this thread or anything indicating that I'm in the mood to give him any asterisks.

 

I truly admire your effort--it's as impressive as your hyperbole. Would be highly entertaining to see him try to fight and throw some of those punches against some skilled superheavies.

 

I have no identity tie to Marciano.
I'm not Italian.
The only boxing my family knew was Ali.
I didn't even learn about him until I was in college!
And everything was self learned, without influence from people I knew.

I just see what's obvious. I'm looking at him as a boxer, not a hero or whatever. He was a great human being and all, but I don't factor that into his abilities as a fighter. I'm a fan of his now, because of him as a fighter. He was incredible. One of the best, maybe the best puncher ever. He's up there at the top. And also one of the best boxers, against any man of any size, period.

 

Looks great (when it works) against overmatched opponents who lack the size and firepower to withstand his onslaughts and make him pay for his aggression.

 

Yeah it would be entertaining. Matches between all time elite punchers and SHWs always are:
https://streamable.com/amss
https://streamable.com/6i0bg

As if Douglas and Bowe are some how impervious to this level of punching

 

Buddy Baer!! LMAO!

PS - Also LMAO if you think Dempsey runs through Bowe, Lewis, or the Brothers K the same way he ran through a back-from-the-dead Willard.

 

Never forget.

Povetkin, a guy some people here hail as much better than Baer and an evolution to the sport, sparred the same guy as Golovkin, a 160lb fighter.

Here is what the sparring partner said:

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And I've sent you some of the numerous interviews where men who actually fought Golovkin for real insist that his punching power is overrated. Clips like this mean next to nothing, imo...

 

I don't know if he would beat them like Willard,
But I think at his best he would beat them all in one offs.

Slower or faster in some cases, who knows.
Willard proved his insane durability in that very fight as well as the Johnson fight.

But I consider all of them really tough matches between really good fighters.

 

Honest question: Do you think Golovkin (as he currently exists--not some imaginary, hulked up version) knocks out Mike Perez in one round? Does he stop Wach, Charr, and Takam?