Does AJ vs Wilder do more UK PPV buys than AJ vs Parker/Takam

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Does AJ vs Wilder do more PPV buys than AJ vs Parker/Takam?

Poll closed Apr 24, 2018.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. SambaKing

    SambaKing Member banned Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong, the Klitschko fight is close to that ceiling you talk of at 1.5million buys (if Hearn is to be believed). I think Wilder does more than that, maybe 1.75 or so. However, I might be playing Wilder short there. I see a lot of casual's demanding this fight & they will be amped up big time seeing the trash talk & Wilder's deceiving 40-0 record. Christ, when I was working for a while there, I heard the ultimate casual's talk about Wilder's KO over Stiverne in awe. The guy who brought it up says Wilder would beat Joshua. Casual's are fully aware & want this mega fight. That work example was before the Ortiz fight where Wilder made his name even bigger over here. I reckon Fury would be the absolute maximum ceiling at around 2million buys.

    My other point stands though. The Parker/Takam fights done no where near those numbers. That is evident by points I've already made.
     
  2. SambaKing

    SambaKing Member banned Full Member

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    Ortiz, if he won, wouldn't get close to the same amount of PPV buys that a Wilder fight would generate, hence the amount of "imagine if Ortiz or Parker wins & kills the AJ/Wilder fight" comments prior to the fight.
     
  3. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    One point you don't seem to acknowledge is that if AJ vs Wilder does more PPV, it's in large part due to the prior good work AJ and Hearn have done in putting on the previous nights, delivering the spectacle and growing the audience.

    How on earth do you justify that?
     
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  4. Dagnaldinho

    Dagnaldinho Active Member Full Member

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    Eddie Hearn will sell Wilder to the UK public like he's Iron Mike Tyson, a killer. The UK casuals who don't already know wilder will see that record and the fact that all the belts are on the line.....

    Makes ALOT of UK buys.

    Eddie Hearn could sell presents to Santa Claus
     
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  5. SambaKing

    SambaKing Member banned Full Member

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    I justify it by:

    1. He holds the WBC title

    2. Wilder makes the fight break UK PPV records. The fight generates much more than Parker (who got 32.5%) & who ever AJ could realistically fight eg Miller, Povetkin, Pulev, Whyte. It's a mega fight because of the two names fighting.

    3. He brings American TV money which will be much more than what Hearn will suggest. Hearn has even said on numerous videos that the fight would possibly generate more money in the USA than UK if it took place there, so there's that too. That's why he wants to desperately fight Miller just now instead & try and make AJ a bigger draw over there.

    4. If Wilder does come over here, then you can make the moral argument that he deserves more for fighting away from home.

    At the end of the day though, it takes BOTH of these fighters to make this the super fight that it is. 60/40 in Joshua's favour is very fair especially as Klitschko was 50/50 & Parker got 32.5%. History proves that flat fees are just a delaying tactic.

    Anyway, I'm going in circles and doing something I promised myself I wouldn't do - squabbling over finances.
     
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  6. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Impossible to say, as Wilder's never been on PPV, so there's no hard data to judge.

    He has the potential to draw higher numbers, as he's a beltholder and a loudmouth yank with a huge KO ratio, and those things can be easily marketed, but whether he actually does so is a pure guessing game. That's all there is to it at this stage.
     
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  7. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Tbh i thought the parker fight was poorly marketed. Considering it was a unification it was fairly under the radar.

    I think this fight does more because hearn will put more effort into the promotion.
     
  8. SambaKing

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    You just listed a couple of reasons why it does wayyy more buys than AJ/Parker. Casual's love nothing more than trash talk. The week leading up to the fight will be mayhem. Casual's love the look of a giant, well muscled black man absolutely icing people. Casual's love deceiving fight records.

    Casual's were talking about Joshua/Wilder more than they were Parker even in the lead up to that fight ffs. There's no question it does wayyyy more buys.
     
  9. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes, but not much more if they promote the fight correctly. I think everyone will enjoy watching Joshua knock Wilder out in a mismatch, but Wilder will not fight Joshua, he is too afraid of getting knocked out!
     
  10. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    I can definitely make a case why Wilder could draw higher numbers than Parker, but like I said we literally have zero idea how much of a PPV draw he is or what sort of PPV money he'll bring in. There are tons of fighters I think are super exciting that don't draw as much as guys I find boring as hell. There's no real way to know how a fighter performs until they do it.


    Casuals were talking more about Joshua vs Wilder? Where are the figures to back that up? Poll results etc? Until you provide more than unsubstantiated comments your whole argument is groundless. What don't you understand about that?
     
  11. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    It should do more buys simply as it would be sold as two men fighting for all of the trinkets, which is something easier to sell to the casuals. Doing a poll on here is pointless though, as everyone on this board knows who the fighters are as we're all fans, so really a public poll would be the only semi-accurate way to gauge the level of interest.
     
  12. velagod

    velagod Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder has been more pushed by sky sports than parker has plus it will be seen as a more even fight, plus don’t underestimate the appeal to casuals of a fight taking place at Wembley if it does happen at Wembley and not Cardiff unlike takam and parker fight.
     
  13. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Question for the OP:

    If AJ is making $20M per fight against Parker and Takam, and Wilder $2.5M against Stiverne and Ortiz

    Then how much should they each make when they face each other?
     
  14. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It would likely do the same numbers AJ v Wlad did. Around that number anyway which is why Wilder has been offered substantially more than what Parker got.
     
  15. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didn't you know AJ isn't expected to earn more. His expected to take more risk for the same money or a little bit extra while Wilder should get a much larger payday than usual.

    That's eastside logic