Does Andre Ward still deserve his p4p#2 spot?

No doubt that Rigo is one of the world's best boxers, and that his win over Donaire elevated his status. However, Ward not only soundly beat Froch, but Kessler, Abraham, Dawson, Rodriquez in a manner where they were almost completely dominated.

So, you are saying that Rigo's win over Donaire trumps all of Ward's accomplishments giving Rigo enough momentum to replace Ward as number 2 p4p? Hee, that's crazy talk!

 

So, you are saying that Rigo's win over 1 fighter, Donaire is enough to place him at #2 p4p. LOL! atsch

 

Rigo's win over Donaire is better than anything on Ward's resume.

I've already addressed the Dawson win. Froch was a great win, but not on the level of a Donaire type. Kessler was a decent win nevermind the fouling on Ward's part, but Kessler had slower hands and feet vs the version Calzaghe fought. Abraham is nothing to brag about, Abe actually had more success against Ward than he did against Froch and in Stieglitz II. Rodriguez took Grachev by surprise and that's the only remotely decent scalp he had - the man struggled to engage against Don fukkin George FFS.

Not only all of that, but Ward has fought only once in 2012, and once in 2013. Floyd is more active, that says a lot.

Ward has ZERO momentum as it stands, in March 2014. You can't ride a win from 2011 forever.

 

I have Wlad > Ward right now.

Wlad's more dominant, and has been doing it at a championship level both longer and more frequently. Andre's gotta get more active.

Since Andre turned pro, his record is 27-0 (14), with a record of 7-0 in title fights.

Since Andre turned pro, Wlad's record is 17-0 (12), but 16 of those fights were title fights. For his career, Wlad's got more knockout wins in title fights than Ward has knockouts period.

Also, Wlad travels. yes, the Povetkin fight was ugly- but in no way is it a negative to shut out the #3 heavyweight in his home country. Kinda sad that a Ukrainian heavyweight based in Germany has more fights in NYC and Las Vegas than a P4P rated U.S. fighter.

 

Outrageous. Wlad should not even still be champion after his last outing.

 

I think his win over Froch is a great win only because it was the culmination of the S6 and he showed how much better he was than Carl and the rest of the weight class because he schooled the guy. In other words it was only great because of his performance and the significance of the fight.

Do not get me wrong Carl is a warrior and fun to watch but I do not consider him elite . . . I say for carl it is better to be lucky than good

 

Whatever.
You'd have to be insane to argue a win over Donaire automatically qualifies you for the #2 p4p slot.
Donaire is good but he is still a brawler with limited boxing skills.

 

While agree that the win over donaire is the biggest scalp on both guys resume, by far. all it proves is that Rigo has the style to beat a fighter that has the fighting style of donaire. this also lead to the question was Donaire more hype than substance?

Ward has proven overtime that he has the ability to beat fighters of all styles. Inactivity, for me is not that big a deal unless you are talking about a couple of years where it seems that they may not be able to or not wanting to return to the ring. a year between fights is nothing in the current era of the sport so it should have zero impact on how fans view him as a boxer

 

I never said that. You're grasping at straws here. I'm saying his lack of momentum makes him vulnerable to lose his spot to someone who's more active against better comp.

You can't just backtrack and say Donaire was hype, this ain't Jeff Lacy. Donaire was P4P rated.

Floyd should be the least active fighter of this era. These past two years, he's not. That's Ward, and it's a shame. Boxers on the P4P list have lost their spot in the past as a result of other guys being more active against better comp.

 

i accidentally deleted where I said that i did not think it was the case with donaire. However, he has slipped a bit because he has lost confidence after rigo.

Inactivity should only be an issue if the fighter has shown signs of fading . . . ward, like floyd before, has shown no sign of slipping.

it really depends how you weigh the different aspects of a fighter to consider what makes them p4p

 

I know that Tim Bradley clearly lost to Pac but taking into account that he got a decision and he also beat Marquez who won with Pac and Ruslan Provodnikov, he has to rank very high in the p4p list.

 

A level below that, he's also got Alexander. On the next tier of wins, there's Peterson, Holt, and Cherry. There's even a win over a young Miguel Vasquez, too. Tim's resume is stacked- dude's like a mini-Holyfield in more ways than one.

 

LOL, you're arguing that since Donaire is better than anything on Wad's resume (which I don't agree with), then he may be in-line for p4p status. That is the thread topic, right.
No doubt that Rigo possess the one of the world's best boxing talents, BUT I say it's still too early to make the case for Rigo being rated higher on the p4p charts, espcially in the number 2 slot currently occupied by Andre Ward.
Plus, although we now know Carl Froch's weaknesses, during the Super6, Froch & Kessler were the tournament favorites. Their status diminished after meeting and being soundly defeated by Andre Ward in ring.
Donaire is a good fighter, but for me, he and Froch should be rated at the same skill level. I don't see Donaire as so much a better win than Froch. Prior to their losing to Ward in the Super6, both Kessler and Froch were held in much higher regard.

 

ward, dont get me wrong he is a pretty damn good fighter but i couldnt with a straight face
have his as the 2nd best fighter in boxing. never have and i cant put him in there now. possibly
top 5 but i really dont know which spot. and after my top 2 there is a such a huge gap to #3 it
really doesnt matter after spots 1 and 2.

for me for a say a top 10 p4p list there can be too many different combos from #3 through # 10.
and i think arguements can be made for too many different lists. i have my top 2 far and away the
class of boxing with nobody remotely close to them and NOBODY in their current weight classes
and both the class north and south can be added because no one is beating my top 2 util their
ages start to show more and have enought of an impact to being the pack (3-10 fighters) closer to
them in ability.

after thinking it over for a few minutes, i guess i have ward at #3 or at least sharing the # 3 spot.
everyone on here goes only off resumes which backs up my #3 or who i think belongs ahead of him too in swift Garcia. he beat Lucas without any controversy in a war and that single win is 10x better than any ward win. probably more than 10x better.

Lucas is a true beast and currently at 140 ONLY Garcis can hang with him.
and i see Garcia having the edge over him but i do think Lucas could beat him on any given night. dont think he will get the chance but i do think a couple or few years they will once againt meet in the ring. i think once both established at 147 they will meet again. and i cant call a winner. no chance would be just a very uneducated guess.

once i see them both in a WW fight i will know more