Does any former Light Heavy Champion weight beat a Prime Mike Tyson.

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  1. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    its imbecile with an E not I .TBimbecile
     
  2. TBI

    TBI Active Member Full Member

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    You're the biggest loser in the room. Consistently. Glad to be blocked by you. Good riddance.
     
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    Is that Sam to the G another one of these @The Morlocks tricks ??
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    Not this one mate.
     
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  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is the most interesting light heavy to throw into the mix. Archie was not just an amazing fighter, but ridiculously tricky and had a beyond-genius level ring I.Q.
     
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  6. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If holy could I’m sure someone else along the lines could have. Who knows who would have had the skill and chin to make mike fight their fight. Tall order for any man
     
  7. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    But that is not the question.
    WHat the thread title says & most everyone discusses is do any *former* LHW champs beat Tyson.

    So they could come in at any weight against him.
     
  8. boxingjunky

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    First off, Tunney has fought just one fighter that weighed more than 200lbs. He was down for a "long count" against Dempsey. Yes Tunney was tough and skilled, but i just don't agree that he handles the power, speed and ferocity that a Prime Tyson would inflict on him. We're not talking about a Dempsey thats at the end of his career. We're talking about a 220lb dynamo thats as strong as an ox and with very good defense of his own to boot. I just don't see how a 195lb fighter would survive agains Tyson long enough to "wear down" a prime tyson let alone TKO him. I understand you have a lot of admiration for Tunney but don't let your bias cloud your judegment.
     
  9. Samtotheg

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    boxing junky you need to turn into a film junky! How well does Tyson do when an opponent jabs and grabs ?Tony tucker was a guy who did that ! Tony Tucker did not Jab and grab like Tunney did ! Those slip down to the floor and fire lead hook counters are not happening on Tunney, He would have to slip and throw AT THE SAME TIME, not slip then throw ! to catch Tunney jabbing his way into a tie up. Tyson offers nothing to Tunney in the clinch either! I am telling you hes getting stopped or losing every round like Dempsey did!
     
  10. boxingjunky

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    You're comparing how these fighters did back then to modern fighters who are much bigger and with a different set of attributes. Toney Tucker was a 6'5 Heavy who was as tough as nails, moved well, and had good hand speed, not to mention a good skill set. I'm sure Tunney, Conn, O brien and many others wouldn't do well in a clinch with him either. Keep in mind despite Tyson being on the smaller side for his era, he was still incredibly strong in his own right. In fact i think Tucker would stand a good chance of beating Tunney. As you have heard before, sometimes a good big man can beat a great little man. I've noticed some people on here getting nostalgic about old fighters at times and in some cases there is very little film on some of these fighters or none at all. They go off of newspaper clippings, accounts and here say. Bruce Lee gets the same types of arguments
     
  11. boxingjunky

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    I don't need to turn into anything. You need to be more logical and realistic in your approach here, respectfully. Tyson and Dempsey have some similarities, but you're mistakenly using those particular similarities to determine how a fight would go against a Prime Tyson. We're talking about a man that was knocked out in a round against Fireman Jim Flynn. Trust me Tyson will be able to take the punches from Tunney, but could Tunney do the same. From a physical stand point Tyson will be much stronger. Tyson not only had very fast hands, but fast feet as well. He WILL be able to touch Tunney and too many of those shots will not bode well for ANY 195 LBER, Tunney included. Tyson will be able to take far more Tunney punches than Tunney will be able to take Tyson punches.
     
  12. Samtotheg

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    More like different ways of doing the same things . Tuckers height is not why Tyson couldnt knock him out and or why Tucker had some mild success against Tyson it was his technique and tactics . If you did a side by side film comparision (a real one anyhow) you would see Tunney did the jab and clutch style better than Tyson and that opportunity for the Tyson punch would not be there, Tucker gave Tyson options Tunney would not (or the other guys for that matter) Lets look at what appears to be the same thing but watch how Tunney does things (more optimal) than Tucker! height be damned. Tunney would be a nightmare for Tyson.


    look at Tucker here ,he jabs and Tyson slips and throws closely the same time he slips(usually he bends really low then throw losing valuable counter time) but Tucker jabs ,his jab is slipped and he is countered. Tucker jabbed and is IN THE SAME SPOT after his punch is missed.He didnt always step in and tie up like he should.

    https://makeagif.com/gif/mike-tyson-vs-tony-tucker-prDSOH

    Here tunney throws a 1 2 and jack slips it ,but pay attention to what Tunney does after the punch he steps and turns while throwing a lead hook. Look at where Tunney ended up after the miss. What if jack when he slipped did what tyson did and throw, he wouldnt hit tunney because Gene ended up at a new angle.

    https://makeagif.com/i/M9VaMb




    Most of Tuckers punch and clutch looked like this

    https://makeagif.com/i/RxaYij

    throwing tying up and holding

    Tunney had some exchanges like Tucker where he threw shots and tied up but he also had these kind of exchanges

    https://makeagif.com/i/kesMdZ

    I do not see tyson dealing with that since no one Tyson is fighting on film did that in the clinch with him.


    and while tyson did land when you would throw and try to back


    One more time, 2 boxers throwing the same combos does not necessarily mean the same things happened(look at tunneys distance and where he ends up after he throws his combination (angles)

    https://makeagif.com/i/aZxlzb

    https://makeagif.com/i/MSvM5D

    The irony of you saying analyze more when I do stupid tale of the tape stats and really only pay attention to technique on film is hilarious!