Does Anybody Else Feel Annoyed...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by surreal deal, May 5, 2008.

  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    38,117
    Likes Received:
    5
    Baldo, at the time, was the no.1 rated WW, had a more prestigous belt, and was also the Ring champ. So who was more deserving?


    Fair enough. If you're telling me that you pay no attention to what promoters/managers say, then I apologize. I'm sure Mosley wasn't in agreement with his wife/manager, and she probably made that statement without talking to Shane.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    38,117
    Likes Received:
    5
    Winky said he would fight Margo for 8 mill, Arum offered 4 mill. Why the **** would Winky take that offer when he had a potential rematch with Taylor that would've made him more money? The fact of the matter is, Arum only made the offer to try to build up Margo's name. He had no intention of putting Margo in there with Winky.

    Then why the hell did they even offer Winky a fight?

    Ramshall claimed Shane was being straight up about not fighting Margo, that seems to not be the case.
     
  3. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2004
    Messages:
    51,943
    Likes Received:
    4
    I'm sorry, but ONE SINGLE fight does not make you the best over the whole field. There are so many factors to take into consideration. Floyd won his World Title over one of the worst WW champs ever. That is how it will likley be seen. Baldomir has done nothing before, or after, to even suggest it was nothing more then a matter of luck and timing. Hell, he was brought in just to make Zab look good. Was HE deserving of a shot at the WW Champ? But Margarito wasn't worthy? There is no logic in that at all.

    Basically, he won his belt over the Worst WW champ ever, and now hasn't defended it against any top WW contenders. His reign @ 147 will probably look like SRL's reign as SprMW and LtHW champ. No substance what so ever to it. Merely an afterthought.


    COnsidering it was just talk, I don't think Shane cared what she said, It's not like she was dangling contracts or signing anything w/o his knowledge.
     
  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    38,117
    Likes Received:
    5
    Don't attack points that I didn't make. You and Ramshall are the only ones that claimed a fighter wasn't worthy of a fight. I simply asked who was more worthy. Baldo worked his ass off for years, hadn't lost in 7 years, and beat the undisputed champion. He was more than deserving of a fight with Floyd.

    Floyd's legacy at WW is still to be determinded. I tell you what, beating Margo wouldn't change much. I know you and Ramshall love this guy, and to tell you the truth I really respect him. He's a tough fighter who gives it his all. However, he's not that good. He has 5 losses, he will most certainly have 6 after the Cotto fight. He has never beaten anyone of note.


    "COnsidering it was just talk, I don't think Shane cared what she said, It's not like she was dangling contracts or signing anything w/o his knowledge."

    She made a pretty bold statement that her fighter didn't backup.
     
  5. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2004
    Messages:
    51,943
    Likes Received:
    4
    I didn't say you made that point. Don't confuse me just saying my bit with putting word in your post. If I want to stress something you said, I will make that know Reg. :deal

    Bottom line is, Margarito was seen as not only unworthy at a shot at the World Title, but even sharing the ring with Floyd. Hell, many even tried to say he doesn't deserve Judah.

    Workig your ass off means nothing, unless it's against the top guys. NO way can you look at Baldoir;s recoerd and say he was any more deserving then Margarito. At the time, Margarito had more wins over top 10 ranked WW's thern ANYONE else in the division. He was the longest reigning WW titlist and seen as a threat to Mayweather due to his toughness, size, strenght and output. Baldomir was none of those. Many here predicted an easy win over Baldomir because of who he is. ANyway, this is moving to another topic altogether.


    Beating Margarito, despite what some fans think, would be seen as an excellent accomplishment. Their size and style factors alone made this compelling. WAAAY much more then beating Hatton @ 147 did for Mayweather, and would mean more then beating Goldy again.

    But you are right, his lecagy is TBD. His reign @ 147, however, is getting to be set in stone unless he makes some real noise.

    It's no secret Mayweather wasted a few years on very sub-par comp after the Castillo rematch. And he's wasting some time now with his money chasing. There is a way to do both, gettgin paid and winning fights people will repspect. Cotto's the only choice right now for that. Unless he loses, then Margarito will once again get denied.
     
  6. TroubleLurks

    TroubleLurks **** spell check Full Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2006
    Messages:
    2,765
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yeah, that makes sense.
    2-0 over Oscar, that decision was justified just based on principle alone.
    Wrong. He made it clear before the Vargas rematch that he was done for the year. He was 34 at the time and fighting in Nov would have been his 3rd fight within 9 months. It had nothing to do with money.
    He also called Floyd out everytime someone stuck a microphone in his face when he got back from vacation. He also called Floyd out after the Hoya fight. Floyds response? "I don't fight no sparring partners."
     
  7. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2005
    Messages:
    42,061
    Likes Received:
    3,639
    It's nothing new, especially if you're a big name.
     
  8. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2007
    Messages:
    5,838
    Likes Received:
    0
    Its obvious BigReg you have sunk to new lows, anyone who pays attention knows that Shane and Margrito are true warriors and Fraud has been travelling his path of least resistance for a long time now.

    ANy true boxing fan is disgusted by his ducking ways, only nuthuggers dont have a problem with it.
     
  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2006
    Messages:
    50,635
    Likes Received:
    18,358
    I would say that PBF has taken on bigger challenges than Cotto and Margarito at this point by fighting Hatton over Gomez and over Williams.
     
  10. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2007
    Messages:
    5,838
    Likes Received:
    0
    Cottos win over Shane was better than any of Frauds wins since leaving 135. :deal


    AM cant fight the best if the best refuse to get in the ring with him, its not that hard a concept to grasp. Props to Cotto for taking the challenge.

    Fraud can chase pointless rematches with Ricky Hatton and Ricky Martin if he wants but it just shows his ducking ways.
     
  11. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2006
    Messages:
    50,635
    Likes Received:
    18,358
    So beating a Past prime, slower, Mosley who wasn't even top 10 in his division, who in the last 7 years hasn't KO anyone of his last twelve fights except shot as hell Vargas and who the only reason why he had any belts and any big fights was because he got a gift over ODLH (who btw fought PBF) is better than Knocking out a Prime P4P undefeated young hungry fighter in Hatton?

    Common sense in not your thang is it?:patsch
     
  12. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2005
    Messages:
    13,028
    Likes Received:
    14
    SSM was ranked in the top 3 and he beat Oscar twice, get over it, other than those 2 pts I thought everthing else was spot on.
     
  13. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2006
    Messages:
    50,635
    Likes Received:
    18,358
    Top 3???? You mean #3, and even that sounds a bit high when you have fighters like PBF, Margarito, Cotto, Williams and others in the division.

    Also, I am over it, but fact remains that even though in the record books Mosley has the W, it was apperant DLH won the rematch.
     
  14. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2005
    Messages:
    13,028
    Likes Received:
    14
    SSM was ranked above both Margo and Williams only PBF and Cotto were ranked higher.

    HBO cheerleading aside, the vast majority of sportswriters agreed that Mosley had won, infact Lampley and the others got so much heat for thier overly bias commentating that they issued a public apology and were on damage control the following week.