Does anybody else think Canelo won the first against GGG and lost the second?

That's what happened and that's why Golovkin won the second fight more clearly. So much for the idea that "Golovkin can't box off the back foot".

Are you actually trying to deny that Golovkin had him flapping at air during the 2nd fight?

I was going to mention how weak and ineffective Canelo's body punching was. Body work is supposed to weaken a fighter and pay dividends late in the fight. Yet late fight, Canelo was the guy that was dead tired and Golovkin was the guy who stepped on the gas and swept the last 4 rounds. How can you compare a weak tap to the ribs to a head snapping straight punch to the face? Some guys are grasping at straws.

I still think Golovkin should have gone to the body more because he hits much harder than Canelo and he's actually broken people's ribs before. But I guess Team GGG thought punching Canelo in the face was more effective so they did that.

1) He got outboxed and outlanded
2) If that's really what you think than you've got a problem because that's what GGG did the first fight and he should have gotten the win, then.

Golovkin used space to cause Canelo to miss and then countered him. He wasn't running backwards and getting caught on the ropes. Big difference.

 

I thought he lost both.

 

Hands up who is going to change their mind now? I think shadow needs to accept it's done and dusted now and I think people need to accept that shadow is wrong.

 

By far the most people have Canelo winning none, either loss and draw or 2 losses.
Some have Canelo winning one, losing or drawing the first, winning the second.
Then there's the small group of rabid Canelo fanboys and/or Golovkin haters that have Canelo winning both.

But Cenolo the first and Golovkin the second, that's a bit out there.
Doesn't show bias, but I thought the 2nd was a lot closer as the first fight.

 

The difference is GGG didn't choose to fight off the backfoot, he was forced to. In the first fight Canelo chose to come out boxing because he wanted to see how GGG reacted and interpreted that kind of footwork. And well you said it yourself that you thought Canelo did better in the first fight, and I also agree to an extent, so we can agree that it was a good idea for Canelo to box GGG as he has advantages there, due to his footwork. (footwork that most didn't think he had going into the first fight)

So yes GGG did show he has boxing skills in the rematch, no argument with you on that. He did fight well off the backfoot, forced to or not, however it was mostly him just jabbing off the backfoot, whereas in the first fight Canelo landed uppercut bombs and straight right hands off the backfoot from the traps he set. Also while Canelo did get tagged in the rematch, he aside from that one big moment in the 10th he really didn't get caught coming forward and walking into bombs like GGG did several times in the first fight.

Well I'll have to take a closer look. I know that GGG certainly didn't make Canelo miss in the rematch to the extent that Canelo made GGG miss in the first fight. Canelo utilized upper body movement and head movement to evade punches in the first fight. What you are describing in the rematch sounds like GGG was just simply backing away. Next time I watch it I'll pay more attention to where GGG made him miss. I'm not denying it happened, just that it wasn't anything like how Canelo made GGG miss in the first fight which imho was much more effective at neutralizing GGG's attack.

Well loading up and landing hard power punches more consistently than your opponent also tires you out. Canelo to an extent threw himself out over the first 7 or 8 rounds. GGG was more economical and cautious with his attacks relying primarily on the jab. Whereas Canelo was working hard to get inside and land bombs. That's the primary reason why Canelo showed some fatigue in the later rounds, because he was the only one of the two fighters really working hard in there and landing big punches. I do remember GGG landing one or two hard body shots, those may have been harder then most of Canelo's, but still Canelo dominated the body punch landed category and that was an area that going into the rematch many fans said was a key for GGG.

I think after 24 rounds it's debatable who hits harder, but going in surely GGG was seen as the bigger harder puncher. Canelo though pretty much disproved that theory though after 24 rounds in there with GGG and never being in any real trouble while dishing out plenty of punishment of his own.

1) that's your story and you're sticking to it.
2) you're over simplifying that and FYI I don't have any problem here, you're the one with the problem as you have a problem with the result and continue to complain about it. I'm happy to break it down for you though. Canelo and GGG have different strengths and weaknesses. GGG has a better jab, Canelo has better upper body movement and defense, Canelo is a better more dynamic power puncher, etc.

So just because GGG did some of the stuff that Canelo did in the first fight in the rematch, it doesn't mean he did it as well as Canelo did it in the first fight and should be credited for it the same. Also Canelo landed far more clean power punches in the rematch than GGG did in the first fight. GGG for example didn't slip as many punches as skillfully in the rematch as Canelo did in the first fight. It only happend more frequently because Canelo was throwing caution to the wind and just throwing big punches more often. The more you throw the more opportunities there are for your opponent to evade.

He wasn't running backwards and getting caught on the ropes. That's true. Canelo certainly backpedalled a lot more in the first fight than GGG did in the rematch. Canelo certainly had his back on the ropes more in the first fight than GGG in the 2nd. GGG made it a point not to get stuck on the ropes. But Canelo also used the rope-a-dope in the first fight, he stayed on the ropes for prolonged periods and was making GGG miss and effectively countering on the ropes. So Canelo didn't really ever get caught on the ropes despite how often he went back to the ropes and stayed on the ropes in the first fight. He did it willingly and strategically to prove a point.

 

I don't think he won the first , but i don't think Golovkin won it either. Its very easy to give Canelo the first 3 and the last 3.

Golovkin landed nothing on him and he got credit for jabs that were being dodged and slipped. The fanboy actually thought Canelos head movement was him getting jabbed in the head.. lol

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Somebody produce a 10 min long video of GGG landing on Canelo..

 

I never scored the first fight but had the feeling GGG edged it but had no problems with a draw. I've been meaning to watch that fight back for ages now as I think Canelo was getting way harsh treatment from people claiming he was schooled. Every highlight video of that first fight minus a GGG overhand right, is basically Canelo beating GGG up.

I scored the second to Canelo clearly.

 

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sorry

 

I feel bad for GGG because in two fights he won neither.. Even though I have him winning 14 of the 24 rounds they fought.. Out landing Canelo, out jabbing him & winning the championship rounds too! Its not right.. But what can you do! It is what it is... Boxing is a dirty game run by transgenders & pigs with there snouts in the trough...Money aside GGG should have known they'd screw him if a KO didn't come, huge respect but this is what happens when u deal with crooks.. He rolled the dice & carried on dealing with GB again after all that debacle of Byrd, PEDs ETc so...

 

This is absolutely right...and simple...

I gave Canelo the first fight because GGG DIDN'T LAND PUNCHES! (And basically that is what boxing is all about). His promoter put him in a corner with all this "Mexican Style" BS, and he came out and fought like Pernell Whittaker, I like GGG more than Canelo, but he did a beautiful job in that fight. As I've said a 100 times, the only difference between my scorecard and Adelaide Byrd's is that I scored two rounds she gave to Canelo as even.

 

GGG outlanded Canelo in both fights.

 

According to Compubox.

 

According to the naked eye.

So if GGG landed more punches and this is what boxing is about (landing more punches) how did Golovkin lose?

 

Did you watch the fights multiple times and count the punches? OK then because the HBO crew has established on many occasions that they are full of scheiss. They have an agenda, it's a business, and it has been obvious for many years.

Besides, boxing is judged (supposedly) on four equal categories; EFFECTIVE aggression, ring generalship, defense, and CLEAN punches landed...

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...It's not meant to be viewed as two winos slugging it out behind a bar. So there you go.

 

"This is absolutely right...and simple...

I gave Canelo the first fight because GGG DIDN'T LAND PUNCHES! (And basically that is what boxing is all about)".

Your quote buddy.