Does anybody Here Picks JMM for an upset?

If Marquez loses, which I think he will, I hope all he does is win 4 rounds and comes away with a decision loss where he doesn't encounter too much punishment. That way he can move back down to jr. welterweight and maybe end his career with another title and a few more paydays in some action packed fights.

 

The odds are a reflection of how the betting public views the fight. The last time they fought, they saw it as an even fight. This time, they give Marquez very little chance of winning.

There has to be a reason for this. One reason could be one fighter improving. However, there is no way in hell that a 29 year old fighter who has been a a pro since the age of 16 can improve that much in 3 years(unless he is on something). Another reason could be one fighter rapidly declining. Marquez has declined. But it doesn't seem as though he has declined enough to justify that big off a jump in the odds.

Size is the biggest reason in the jump in odds in my opinion. Pacquiao has shown that he is just as strong, fast, and powerful at this weight than he was at 130. Meanwhile, Marquez got embarressed in his only fight at WW. Now maybe the betting public, along with myself are wrong. However, you have to realize that your opinion that size isn't an issue in this fight is certainly in the minority amongst fight fans.

 

Khan vs Marquez

 

You and I both know the betting public can get it wrong all too often. If I remember correctly, Pascal was the betting favourite going into the Hopkins fight both times (I disagreed heavily). Heck, even Pavlik was the massive favourite against Hopkins (we all know what happened there, didn’t we?). Like I said, they’re not entirely reflective of the truth, and they seem to take little into account of styles of fighters, etc, and are more influenced by the recent run of performances by the respective fighters.

And the reason why they’re favouring Pac heavily (and correctly so) is because it’s a combination of the following factors:

• Pacquiao has improved slightly.
• Pacquiao is far better conditioned in this weight class.
• His wins lately have been far more impressive and have received far more coverage than JMM’s.
• JMM, in them 3 years, has naturally slowed down a bit.

So yes, my opinion that ‘size isn’t an issue’ may very well be in the minority, just like my opinion of Hopkins schooling Pascal was too. Being in the minority doesn’t make it any less of a valid one. And the reason why I maintain size isn’t an issue, is because Pacquiao has not magically grown a few extra inches in height and reach in them 3 years. Him and JMM are still relatively the same sized guys they were when they fought last time, and their weight difference has barely even budged, either. Their 145-141 have now just gone up to 148-145. Yeah, a huge difference in weight and size, isn’t it :roll:.

But what has changed, like I’ve said plenty of times, is the conditioning more so than weight. This is the main reason why JMM is so up against it. Pacquiao, in this weight class, is free from having to make weight and is therefore able to condition himself much better.

 

I see a quick destruction of the Great JMM!! Juanito has never been Knocked out but there's a first time for everything.. Just like My high school GF, she was a virgin. Someone had to pop the cherry!

 

JMM is too old . It isn't so much the weight as it is age.

 

If they're the same size, then the same woud be true for Marquez.

 

I believe that Juan Manuel has Pacman's number, but I think 2011, is about
2 to 3 years too late for him to step in with Pacquiao on an even battlefield. I think Pacquiao wins a decision, I would love for Marquez to prove me wrong and show he has more in the gas tank. I'm cheering for Marquez
either way though........i'd be happy to go down with that ship, solid
solid guy

 

I keep shooting down your argument and you keep on saying the same damn thing I've already obliterated with a Bazooka.......

Here's the Bazooka exploding on your premise again......
Marquez does not normally come in at 145 lbs fightnight.
As a lightweight he's been stepping into the ring weighing just above and even under 140 lbs.

Pacquiao on the other hand has been right at or just above 147 lbs, I think he weighed 148 lbs vs both Mosley and Margarito.

While Pacquiao has been topping out at closer to 150 lbs, Marquez has been closer to 140 lbs.

The Katsidis fight is an abberation. Except for the Mayweather fight, Marquez never has weighed that much, and it was likely due to see how his body would handle the extra weight, knowing that he wanted to move out and seek bigger challenges at 140 lbs, where those fighters walk into the ring at 150 lbs+.


So know, Pacquiao and Marquez have not been weighing the same entering the ring in their last several fights.

Pacquiao has been outweighing Marquez by 6-10 lbs, for the Juan Diaz fight Marquez was at 138 lbs, so we're talking about a full weight class of PED induced advantage that Pacquiao will have over Marquez.

 

I wish I could see it, but I dont. I think Marquez will be competitive for as long as it lasts, but I see a Tko for Manny

 

No, because he's not as athletically gifted as Pac. This catchweight allows for a fight where neither guy has to worry about making weight, and are required to just train to fight. It's on this level playing field where there are no restrictions in how they reach their fight night weights (148 and 145), that Pac emerges as the better man. In other words, he's the superior fighting machine.

 

Okay lets say they have the fight at 140 instead of 143. Pac still rehydrates to 145+ so what the hell difference does it make? You do know Marquez can weigh in at whatever weight he wants to, as long as he's not over 143, right? At best he'll probably give away 5-6 pounds to Pacquiao, and I highly doubt it'll be that much.

 

Let me ask you this GT, if Pac enters the ring the heaviest he's ever entered it, will you concede that I was right in my assesment that this fight should have been made at 140 lbs and not above it?

You see, not having the fight at 140 lbs is going to allow Pacquiao to enter the ring at 150 lbs if he wishes.

A 150 lbs PED induced Pacquiao vs a lightweight that normally enters the ring at 140 lbs, is more than a huge advantage, its a monumental advantage.

 

Ok, let's assume that Pac is just the better fighter, and fighting at this weight allows him to be at his best. In that case, WEIGHT WOULD BE A FACTOR. It would be a factor as fighting at that weight would allow Pacquiao to fight at a higher level while not helping Marquez. Did Marquez look any faster, or punch harder when he fought Mayweather at WW? The answer is an obvious no.

 

Your bazooka is full of bull****, mate. Everytime it explodes in our face, it wreaks of speculation and conspiracies based on no solid evidence. You claim JMM comes in at 138 usually for his lightweight fights, yet he came in at 141 against Pac back when be fought him at super featherweight? :huh

So unless you've got evidence of JMM not normally weighing in the early to mid 140s, I'm just gonna' sit here and cover my nose whilst I wait for your **** in the air to clear.