Does anyone at 160 today stand a chance against a prime Roy Jones jr?

The American Olympic Committee was enabling their own athletes to compete despite positive test results. I am sure the IOC was in on it too, but Dr. Exum Wade spilled the beans and told everybody what was up, from the 80’s and 90’s positive drug tests were swept under the rug. Carl Lewis himself admitted he was part of a system, and everyone was doing it.

 

Good shout. One of my random pet projects is researching the history of steroids and PED's, particularly coverups, so that scandal is something Ive done some digging in to.

The reasons I strongly believe there was a systemic cover up re: Roy are twofold (in case the IBF admitting they never followed up despite Roy never sending a second sample wasn't enough):

1) there was a 3 year gap between when it happened and when Richard Hall spilled the beans in an interview. 3 years.

2) Why the heck did we hear about it from Richard Hall, of all people, in the first place?

I've never- in any sport- heard of a legitimate positive test that got leaked BY THE OPPONENT. Not an official. Not a supplier. Not the state. Not someone from the ABC belt organizations. His friggin' opponent outed him. 3 years later. And he was dead right.

That's unheard of.

 

Terms like dealing with adversity, mental toughness, heart, determination, etc. Are often times used to describe a fighter's heart. I'm not denying that heart exists in boxing, but in many cases those terms are just a proxy for a high stamina fighter. It's not that guys like for example Manny Pacquiao, Antonio Margarito, Aaron Pryor, etc are just filled with heart and mental toughness and determination. It has a lot to do with the fact that their bodies simply deliver oxygen to their muscles much better than the average fighter. And a guy like Kovalev isn't very good at doing this.

From what I've seen GGG is a high stamina fighter. And I doubt he "folds" the way Kovalev did and that's not even getting into the dubious low blows.

I don't see GGG just gassing out.

 

And Golovkin has been as low as 164 against Proksa. 173 is his highest but 170 has been his consistent fight night weight as recent as Jacobs.

Jones was 180 in his signature MW win over Hopkins, and might have been even heavier against Tate.

I think its safe to say, if we are matching them at their MW best, Jones would have a dime on him.

I personally have my doubts Jones actual fighting weight flucuated all that much until he gained a bit for Ruiz.

 

not offended. Just don't see the need for that crap.

 

Loudon exacerbated this whole thing, blame him

 

Fighters are remembered for their signature fights. In 10 years what fights will fans or haters look back on when thinking about Wlad or Floyd? Neither has a signature fight. The guys who love the past have any advantage due to their being less belts, less fight build up, more fights in those times. Which resulted in the best fighting the best at a faster rate. That's not me being a past lover, it's just an honest assessment of how fights are made today.

 

Wlad vs Joshua was the most entertaining fight at heavy that I have seen.

Floyd vs MgGregor?

 

VADA tested Roy gets flattened by Matthew Macklin of today.

 

I would give RJ the edge as well. Speed, athletism with his stamina would be too much for G IMO. Still would be a great fight!

 

I think Loudon & Jones jr are like MVC & Floyd just blind hero worship.they can do no wrong LOL

 

It's not like 180 is unheard for middleweights. Quillin and Murray both come close to 180 on fightnight at MW.

 

PEDS are rife today, yet nobody can do what Roy did.

So I guess that his batch from 17 years ago must have been superior than the ones of today.

 

Quote no.5 that was never said.

What a state you're in.

It's one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.

 

What a joke.

Roy fought as a JMW.

He spent 5 years at MW.

He was high for Hopkins.

So you want to take his highest weight from one fight, and then compare 2 MW's fighting each other, to a MW facing an ATG HW, based on stats?

Yes, Roy would have had a size advantage over GG. But there's a world of difference between a smaller MW fighting a bigger one, to a MW fighting an ATG HW who fought 3 divisions higher.

What you should have said, was: "a guy of Dempsey's SIZE"