Does anyone at 160 today stand a chance against a prime Roy Jones jr?

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    We've just had the exact same debate, 2 pages back.

    I've already responded.

    Just forget it.
     
  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Then why do.you support Margacheato then sparky?
     
  3. adokei

    adokei Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo had a considerable speed advantage on Triple G, so whatever speed advantage Jones would have on Triple G, he'd have less so on Canelo. Canelo also is more elusive than Triple G, and he uses more upper body movement, so Canelo would be harder for Jones to hit than Gennady would be for Jones to hit. (Triple G would be target practice for RJJ, Canelo not so much)

    So while Jones would have a considerable speed advantage on anybody, Canelo included, Canelo would be able to negate that speed advantage to a degree, moreso than Triple G would. The speed advantage Jones would have on Canelo is probably best described as somewhere in between slight and huge. (moderate lets say) If you take the version that fought Hopkins at MW, Jones hands were quick, but he wasn't as fast on his feet as I've seen in some of his other fights. I'll have to re-watch the Tate fight, been a while since I've seen it. If that's the absolute best version of MW RJJ, then OK but then again you're looking at the best version of MW RJJ, which is fine for this comparison. Canelo may get even better and faster by 2018, he's only had one true MW fight so we need to keep that in mind.

    As far as 1994 Roy being Prime, you can say that, only 5 years into his pro career, Roy was a freak athlete speed wise, it's hard to pinpoint in a way because Roy really didn't need the seasoning other fighters do to be in their prime, because it was just pure speed and extreme athleticism, so I get what you're saying, but Canelo on the other hand is 12 years into his pro career and arguably he's just now reaching his prime. Or he's been in it for a while, but back in 2013, 8 years into his pro career when he fought Floyd many argue he was still green and I don't think anybody would argue that that Prime Canelo fought Floyd.

    Of course, but that was 5 years later two weight classes above what we're comparing. In my estimation his hand speed and confidence and just his overall athleticisim may have increased between 1994 and 1999, or maybe it stayed the same but he just became more heavy handed. But sure you can argue that he was about the same fighter in 1994 then he was 5 years later, he just stayed consistent as moved up. That's reasonable. Certainly his devastating knockout power increased going up in weight. That's why I said that I don't consider 1994 Prime Roy, because while he had unbelivable speed and athleticisim, I don't think he really developed quite the one punch knockout power he had by the late 1990s. When I think of Prime Roy, I think of not only the incredible speed advantage he had at MW, but the sensational highlight reel knockouts he had at the higher weights. I mean, of course he was damn good in '94 and was still damn good in '99 with incredible speed, so I see what you're saying from that perspective, but I mean, lets be real, you could argue Roy was Prime when he debuted, that's how much of a freak athlete he was.

    If you watch somebody like Naseem Hamed, watch his pro debut, you could argue he was prime in his pro debut, he was simply unstoppable and the speed was otherworldly. It's much easier to see clearly and determine when Roy declined and became past prime (2004) and much harder to pinpoint when he was actually in his prime or when his prime started. Fighters like Roy or Hamed were essentially Prime when they debuted due to the fact that they were so well rounded out the gate with other worldly speed they didn't really get that much better as they moved on, because they were already so good to start with. But sure, maybe his real prime started around 1994 and truly peaked in the late 90s. Hard to pinpoint his prime really, becuase he was so consistent with the speed advantage that he had throughout the 1990s.
     
  5. Goomba73

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    Agreed..... no-one beats a Prime RJJ. He was a freak in his Prime.
     
  6. Goomba73

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    I don't think is was his speed so much. RJJs biggest advantage IMO was his reflexes. They were otherworldly , almost like a spidey sense . He would see it coming roll out the way or under it and come straight back with a hook and flurry. His reflexes IMO is what made him special. When father time started catching up with Roy and his reflexes were a shadow of what they were, his lack of some key defensive fundamentals caught up with him.
     
  7. The Kentucky Cobra

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    Nothing to debate. Thats the facts, hard numbers. Jones Jr who won a MW title vs the Prime Dempsey who beat Willard is closer in weight and reach than Jones and Golovkin.
     
  8. Kevin Willis

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    Did shadowcuck111 just churn out a novel on Cucknelo somehow beating RJJ?
     
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  9. C.J.

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    Never give up do ya PeeWee ?? :duh You gotta rival MVC for the title of Most Worthy of a Permanent Ban:risas3:
     
  10. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    You and you're alter ego C.J.Crock deserve the ban my little old senile bum chum!
     
  11. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    LOL I heve no alter ego's Wee Willie MEN dpnt need to hide like you wimps
     
  12. SOUTHERMOST

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    Roy will toy with GGG too much speed & power
     
  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    There's been big and small MW's all throughout the history of the division.

    You can't compare 2 MW's fighting each other, to a MW fighting a HW.
     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    shadow111,

    I agree with you, but Roy would still have had a huge advantage in terms of speed.

    But how can it be described as somewhere between slight and huge?

    How can it be moderate?

    Yes, we need to see more of Canelo at MW before further analysis.

    I think that this current version of Canelo would have fought Floyd in a different manner, employing different tactics. But I still think he'd have been greatly troubled by Floyd's speed.

    Roy wasn't faster at LHW when was 30, than when he was at MW in his 20's. But even if we just focused on that gif that I posted against Reggie, there's just no way that Canelo could have coped with that kind of speed.

    I always respect your opinions, and I like how you back them up. Again, in my opinion, Roy was fully matured in 1994 at 25.
     
  15. HerolGee

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    noone does, though a few would give him tight fights.