Does anyone believe Canelo deserved the decision against GGG in their first fight?

Deontay Wilder can’t tie his own shoelaces

 

I didn’t see Golovkin throw any stiff jabs for most of the third fight. Very suspect, given he was able too before against a far more elusive Canelo in fights 1 & 2

 

One thing from the AI data that's interesting is the tracking of high impact punches that landed cleanly with power and visible effect.

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Accorrding to the data :

The # of rounds that Canelo landed more high impact punches : 5 (rounds 5, 6, 8, 9, 11)
The # of rounds that GGG landed more high impact punches : 3 (rounds 2, 7, 10)
The # of rounds that had an even amount of high impact punches : 4 (rounds 1, 3, 4, 12)

Adding up the number of high impact punches landed in total ends up even (31-31) with GGG having a +5 advantage in round 2 and a +3 in round 7. Outside of round 2 and round 7, GGG only had 1 other round (round 10) that he's credited as landing more high impact punches. That was the round that Canelo started fast early then cruised on his backfoot for the last 2 minutes. It would be useful if the AI gave time stamps for the high impact punches it counted so we know exactly what punches it is referring to. Then we could judge this data for ourselves to fact check the AI.

GGG having a significant advantage in high impact punches in Round 2 and Round 7 is interesting because those were widely seen as the easiest to score rounds in the entire match. Round 2 was widely seen as a clear Canelo round and Round 7 was widely see as a clear GGG round. So for GGG to have his biggest high impact punch advantages in these rounds isn't that significant because of how clear these rounds were seen. The rounds that high impact punches matter more are in harder to score rounds, rounds that fans aren't universally in agreement over.

The +5 for GGG in round 2 is the most surprising data point there, I don't remember GGG landing 5 high impact bombs on Canelo in that round. Round 2 was a round that was pretty much universally given to Canelo, and if GGG landed 5 high impact bombs in that round I'd expect a lot more people to notice those and at least some fans to give that round to GGG because of hard shots landed. But that wasn't the case, so that suggests that those that were counted as high impact for GGG in round 2 may not have been as high impact or as eye catching as some of the ones in the later rounds. Perhaps those were landed as Canelo was avoiding the shots and pulling back himself which may have confused the AI. I'll have to go back and review that round 2 to see if I can find those 5 high impact clean punches that were counted from GGG.

Canelo having 0 in round 2 isn't surprising because from what remember Canelo wasn't loading up with big shots in that round. He was just outboxing GGG that round, he didn't start really loading up and catching GGG with big shots until the later rounds, which is depicted in the AI data. Of course landing more high impact punches in a round doesn't necessarily translate to winning a round. But it does show that Canelo landed the more high impact clean power shots with visible effect in more rounds than GGG did.

In Round 2, the AI gave given GGG credit for a ton more punches landed than Compubox did. Compubox had round 2 with GGG outlanding Canelo 14-12 while the AI has GGG landing 25 punches with Canelo only 12. For GGG to not only have a 5 to 0 high impact punches advantage and a massive 25-12 landed punches advantage in a round that was universally seen as a clear Canelo round is shocking.

The data in round 9 is very interesting as Canelo was credited as landing about the same number of punches as GGG that round, which differs dramatically from the compubox numbers. Compubox had GGG with a 24-13 punch landed advantage in that round, while the AI has Canelo landing about the same as GGG, with looks to be about a 25-24 punch advantage that round.

For the AI to have Canelo landing about 24 punches in that round and only 1 punch less than GGG is significant because this was a round that was not considered close and seen widely as a clear GGG round. The AI not only has the number of landed punches as about even that round, but it also Canelo has with a +3 advantage in high impact punches landed, 4 to 1. This was a round that Byrd gave to Canelo but the other judges gave to GGG and fans widely gave to GGG. In fact I can't recall anyone giving this round to Canelo. But the AI suggests this round was extremely close and could have easily gone to Canelo based on high impact punches.

 

No I don't think anyone truly believes Canelo was the better MW out of the two.

 

No but throughout that fight I kept saying to my brother that he was having more success on the front foot and should keep it up. Which he did in the rematch which I had him winning.

 

I'm not a fan of either fighter but Golovkin clearly won the 1st fight 8-4 or 7-5.

 

No but it was very competitive and canelo fought very well and their styles meshed for a great fight

There are 5 rounds for canelo but can't find 6 let alone 7

Did score fight 2 to canelo

 

I had it a draw I think it was close, might have given the nod to Canelo slightly. I know I'm in the minority and don't have a problem with those who called it for GGG.

 

They say they do, but not even shadow believes it down in his cockles.

 

Effects of being past his best, maybe even shot.

The wild thing is, had he won 2 more rounds on those 115-113 cards, he wins.