Does anyone believe Carlos Ortiz was the best lightweight - ever?

I think his resume has him easily top 5.

 

no. it is pac

 

You must be an alias. No one can be as ******ed as you.

David Diaz..................and?!?!?!?!?

Get the **** outta here, noob.

 

Why do I always spot threads like AFTER all the good stuff has been contributed? Clever twats.

As a sidenote though , I'd love to see the Ortiz - Loi series. There are some accounts saying that Loi deserved to win all three fights, though they were all close. He must have been some fighter to consistently hang with a master boxer-puncher like Ortiz, who has to be near-on lock for the lighweight top 5. The snippets that are available of Loi don't really reveal enough,and they don't display him as the intelligent swarmer/counterpuncher he was supposed to be.

 

go push a finger in your arse :good
and don't forget the drained versions of delahoya and cotto and hatton.
they count even more than a lightweight. and marquez twice who went to become the #1 at 135 after two near quick stoppage losses at the hands of pac.

 

Worst.
Post.
Ever.

You need to be banned you're such a ******. How old are you? 12???

 

Pacquiao's wins at 135 or above

Diaz
Hatton
DLH
Cotto

Ortiz's wins at 135 or above

Laguna x2
Loi
Lane
Battling Torres
Elorde x2
Sugar Ramos
Matthews
Brown
An arguable win over Locche
plenty more...

Course it's Pacquiao, a complete lemonhead could see it.

 

I'm angry at myself for replying.

 

Don't be, he's a humorous character.

 

my reasons for that post were already given.
and you keep asking that same question after being answer for about 2-3 times and keep repeating your out of subject idiotic remarks and this after agreeing with me on more occasions than other here and after all of this i am the one to be banned. but coming from you , it is typical.

 

When have I ever agreed with you?

 

which you did not mention for some clear (a quote above) reason


after (1) adding Marquez x 2 (who went to become #1 at 135)
(2) comparing also the quality differences

pac wins clearly.

exactly.

 

vitali vs. louis for one

 

EDIT: I don't know why I'm even debating with you.

 

Because he didn't beat Marquez - who, incidentally, many people believed won both their fights - at lightweight. And even if you take those two fights into account, his record at these weights pales next to Ortiz's.

I'm still arguing. Why am I still arguing?