Does anyone find Tyson vs. Holyfield I very overrated?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I thought Tyson might permanently damage him.Got that one wrong!
     
  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I really believe that the rise and fall of Iron Mike Tyson has taught many a young fighter an invaluable lesson in how to handle success. Here was a star in boxing with a deadly killer instinct, a very hard hitter, with very talented trainers and teachers, and had reached stardom with all of these talents. He was taught like a lot of us in life, that sometimes it appears that the grass is greener on the other side, then we discover that is is not. He took in Hanger On People, who were essentially Yes people, but lacked the maturity and life experience to handle them. His wife and mother in law took full advantage of him, toyed with him mentally. We have all been taken advantage of at least once in our lives, he was shielded by Cus D Amato and Kevin Rooney for a reason. Mike abandoned them, again the grass looked greener to him, and when he found out it was not, it was too late in the game of boxing. He became a shooting star that was descending to the earth after reaching historical heights. It is too bad because in reality he was a nice enough guy to have had such a rude awakening bestowed on him, for he was an exciting talented champion, something we had not seen for a long time. It makes us wonder what would have happened if he would have stayed with the same team that brought him to the big dance? We perhaps can only imagine what could have been, like when Muhammad Ali was unjustly banned for not serving in an unjust war, created by the war mongering politicians.
     
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  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like this you mean?

    You must have been watching other fights tbh. Head that far up Tyson's ass you can't see the wood for the trees....
     
  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    This is the first fight that I can remember losing money on. A guy I worked with that summer (an older, experienced gambler) offered me a $50 bet at even odds and I couldn't wait to shake on it. A non-trivial sum of money for teenage mrkoolkevin.
     
  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You're a hater of Mike Tyson.
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  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I've just posted a video for you and other dreamers to see, Tyson dove in with the head and cried like a girl because he came off second best.

    Are you trying to deny that actually happened?
     
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  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be fair, Mike mentioned later that he was pretty awed by how great a fighter he found out Holyfield was.
     
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  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep he had to tip his hat and admit he had met his master.
     
  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Agree with those. Tyson throwing one or two missed punches (Evander countering), holding and a little wrestling. Rince and repeat.
    Another case of fights that happened to late, resulting into a slower, downgraded version for what could have happened way earlier.
    I believe a young hungry David Tua (who Holyfield sparred for this fight!) could have made this a better bout.
     
  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    FOTY awards have a lot to do with the magnitude of the event and the result being significant. This fight — especially with Evander dominating ‘Iron’ Mike — overshadowed everything else in boxing that year.

    If it was just ‘best fight’ it might go to a 4-rounder in Sacramento.
     
  11. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These Tyson apologists are so old and tired.

    Tyson comes in swinging wide with his head coming straight down the middle. Holyfield turns his head or ducks his head so he takes it on the side or the crown while Tyson collides with his face.

    What Tyson WANTS his opponents to do — and many did — is to go backward into the arc of the punch. A fighter is allowed to duck inside a wide punch and is, in fact, instructed to do so if he’s well schooled. If the guy throwing the punch’s momentum takes him into a collision of heads, that’s on him.
     
  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    It was a little too one sided to be a great fight. After round 1 i only gave Tyson 1 round but looking closer it was actually worse. In watching Tyson closely he was unraveling pretty fast and he tried to get out of that fight. He called for the ring doctor. He basically charged in with his head more or less butting himself then cried to the referee.
    I dont he was in shape physically and mentally it was a mismatch.
    Tyson didnt take his beating like a man he couldn't avoid it.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    Beautifully said Jel. FOTY is about the event as well as the action. You have to live it in real time to have any sort of clue many times. It was a worthy winner, the event was electric.
     
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  14. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Do you think he started packing it in? I personally thought he was still in it by the 10th and Holyfield was gasping for air.

    But I agree with you, it was slow paced and a more measured fight compared to a slug fest or a brawl.
     
  15. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    The two best fights I saw that year purely in action terms were Barrera-McKinney and Gatti-Rodriguez - both unbelievable fights with great back and forth exchanges and compelling narratives. But they obviously don't come close to the significance of the Holyfield-Tyson event. That was something else.