Does anyone have a link to Bet sugar's top 10 heavyweights

Try

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071031075000AA5JzCn

 

Here it is as well:

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Dempsey
4. Jack Johnson
5. Gene Tunney
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Ezzard Charles
8. George Foreman
9. Joe Frazier
10. Larry Holmes

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11. Holyfield
14. Tyson
19. Lewis

I think Tunney is better than Johnson but other than that it looks good.

John L. Sullivan should be in the top 15 as well anyone know?

 

thats gotta be the dumbest list ive seen

 

Yeah, not having Lewis in the top 10 itself is laughable, and then not even the top 15 is even worse. Also, Tunney did nothing to warrant top 10 at HW, top 5 is terrible. Might as well put Spinks in the top 8 too then. I rank Charles as number one at LHW but top 7 at HW is simply laughable as well. It's a terrible list.

 

Tunney did nothing to derserve it?:huh



He was HW world champion for 5 years.

He was Light Heavyweight champion and defended it 10 times

He was 81-1 and took the time to join the Marines.

He beat Hall of Famers Harry Greb twice and Jack Demsey, and more than that I sure.

Ring Magazine ranks Tunney 6 all-time.

From Boxrec:

Boxing Historian Tracy Callis considers Tunney to be 6th at heavyweight, 4th at cruiserweight, and 1st at lightheavyweight.

Boxing Historian Monte Cox rates him 2nd at Lightheavyweight.

IBRO considers Tunney to be 11th at Heavyweight and 4th at Lightheavyweight.

Boxing Historian Nat Fleischer considers him 8th at Heavyweight.

Charley Rose considers Tunney 6th at Heavyweight.

A World Boxing Readers poll conducted in 1974 considers Tunney to be 7th at Heavyweight.

Boxing Historian Nat Loubet considers Tunney 6th at Heavyweight.

Both John Durant and Bill Brennan consider Tunney 5th at Heavyweight.

Bert Sugar rates Tunney 5th at Heavyweight.

Arthur Harris considers Tunney to be 5th at Heavyweight.

 

Um Tunney was not HW champion for 5 years, actually less than a year

At Lightheavyweight he was one of the greats. But that doesn't mean anything for his ranking at HW, I don't know why you mention that :huh

He beat Greb once again great accomplishment but it wasn't at Heavyweight.

Nat Fleisher was tremendous for boxing and helped make it become a mainstream sport, but his rankings were pretty screwy. The other so called "experts" I could care less about.

Most of the magazine/polls that you listed were conducted decades ago before Holmes, Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, even Ali/Foreman so yes Tunney is going to rank pretty highly.

The only quality HW Tunney beat was a faded Dempsey.

 

What has tunneys achievments at light heavy got to do with his positioning at heavy, 5 at heavy is beyond wrong be it achievments wise or h2h, and i say this with tunney being one of my favourite boxers and i am one of the few to have him as a top 10 atg but 5 at heavy is ridiculous

 

I stand corrected on the 5 years but so do you it was 2 years. Beating Greb was beating Greb, the weightclasses were different than today that has to be taken into account.

 

Alright, he was HW champ for less than 2 years. And he defended that title a whopping two times against a faded Dempsey and Tom Heeney

Greb is a p4p great fighter but he was a middleweight. Doesn't matter at all for Tunneys HW ranking.

 

I think Sugar wants to pay homage to the nostalgic era, more than he wants to be fair and reasonable.

Putting Lewis anywhere but firmly in the top five is beyond rediculous, and anyone putting him as far down as 19 is laughable, given that Sugar is supposed to be a boxing guru.

 

Question: How could you possibly rank Tunney over Ali, Tyson, Lewis, Louis, Marciano, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Holyfield, Johnson?

Throw in Dempsey who should rank above him at HW among several others and there's absolutely NO WAY he should rank even top ten, nonetheless top 5!

 

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2 years or 5 years it makes no difference, he defended the title twice, the only name at heavy he beat of note was a past prime dempsey, a brilliant set of victories but enough to be rated above lewis, tyson, liston, foreman, holmes,marciano,holyfield not a chance.

At light heavy and p4p i rate tunney extemlley high, greb, loughran and gibbons where great fighters that he beat but it is plain stupid having him at 5 at heavy, the same with charles at 7, great fighters p4p but not at heavyweight