Does anyone here really think Tyson lost vs Douglas, Holyfield And Lewis because he didn't have hear

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was losing round after round, taking a beating! Those guys were just better that night, period. Those weren't quitjobs where he was ahead and gassed/folded or just wilted in a close fight!

    By the time the Douglas fight got competitive it was round 8, Mike's eye was closed and he was against the ropes! The only reason Tyson started to hit him was that Douglas started to stand his ground to stop him, WHICH HE DID!

    Tyson could have complained less against Holyfield when he got cut and dropped but Holyfield was again the better fighter for the majority of the fight and had Tyson on ***** street from a right hand at the end of round 10 after Tyson tried to fight back when hurt. Again he just got whipped period.

    And the Lewis fight? Come on he was never gonna win that anytime after the mid 90s at the very latest anyway.



    THE ONLY FIGHT WHERE YOU CAN REALLY SHAKE YOUR HEAD AND THINK "Damn maybe if he had tried harder he could have won it" was the bite fight because of Tyson's great condition and improved technique still, Holyfield might have still had his number.
     
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  2. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People keep saying he didn't have the heart to pull those fights out, but you can place Ali, marciank or Holyfield in Tyson's body for those fights and none of them would win them because he was technically outclassed and losing badly on the cards, not sharp enough and gassed several rounds before he was eventually stopped. So i don't see how it could have gone any differently
     
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  3. Mark Adam

    Mark Adam Active Member banned Full Member

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    It was all over for Mike when Rooney was sacked.
     
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    The only time he really quit was against McBride.

    That was sad to see.
     
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  5. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't remember anybody saying he didn't have heart. He had heart, I think people bring up those fights to show is mental weaknesses not his heart.
     
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  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think that there were definitely other factors at play than the game that his opponents brought to the table.
     
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  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He fought with heart, but he wasn't good at handling adversity.
     
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  8. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's an interesting topic because the theory is that Tyson couldn't overcome adversity when things weren't going his way, he never did win a fight coming once his opponent was ahead but he blew most of his opponents out the water throughout his prime years.

    I guess the best example of him showing some of this is the two Ruddick fight, he won both clearly but Ruddick did give him tough competitive fights that he had to bite down on the mouthpiece to an extent.

    He's a hard one to pin down because he had a quality chin and took some monstrous punches of Lewis, Holyfield, Ruddick, Bruno etc and was able to keep coming forward. it probably came more down to not having a plan B when a guy had his number more than anything.

    Tyson was unique enough that he mostly had speed, power and movement over his opponents. Douglas is a crazy fight where I do believe outside influences effected the performance, though that's still down to Mike for getting himself into constant bother and not training properly/overlooking his opponents.

    Holyfield was meant to be shot but I think Mike was as much past his prime as Holyfield was, form just looked better for Mike going in but Evander comp was far better. Holy had all the tools needed for Mike though, I think he beats him in his prime though I wouldn't rule Mike out.

    The Lewis fight Mike was shot to **** and mentally an utter mess. That was a cash out fight where Tyson knew he was finished imo.

    I don't think a prime Lewis is a good style for Mike at any point but a prime Tyson could cause Lewis major problems, he had enough fire to finish him and he would have used his aggression in a better technical manner instead of walking in straight lines into a jab all night.

    Ultimately I'd say prime for prime Mike stops Douglas, loses to Holyfield and Lewis is a fifty fifty, I can see both scenarios of Mike KOing Lewis with well timed hook and Lewis boxing his head off from range alarm what happened.
     
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