does anyone honestly doubt that technical skills have gotten worse in boxing?

is there anyone you CAN'T whup? **** I should put you on payroll, but I probably can't afford it. A baaaaaaaaaad mother****er like you probly been stacking bills like Slick Rick since you came out the womb

 

Well if anyones confused it's you, you need to read what you write before you post.

You said that todays fighters are so much more advanced and that fighters of the past could'nt be expected to win against them.

So by your logic, Eder Jofre who was fighting around 45 years ago should'nt be able to compete with the so much more advanced Donaire :verysad

 

yeah, JMM is a shitty defensive fighter who doesn't belong with the greats. You win.

Hey bandeedo, how many rounds could Tyson go before you put him to sleep?

 

lol, i dont need some avatar in cyberspace to be impressed with me, junior. im not going to come in here and claim ive tangled with gracie and then accuse someone of puffing themselves up. i told you the truth, maybe they were all pussies, maybe im unbelievably lucky. fact remains that out of several dozen close calls, i walked away and sometimes they didnt.

 

yeah, but how long would Tyson last before you put his little ***** ass down for the count for daring to step to you? And of course I've 'tangled' with the Gracies. Prob a 1000 times over in the time I spent at the academy. You should try it, real life can be very satisfying, you know.

 

I'm far from an expert on the subject, but I would imagine skills from a technical standpoint have diminished in certain lights. For example, if I limit my scope to American heavyweights in the 2000s...there's a dropoff from the top American heavyweights of the 1980's, 1970s.

However, in general, I tend to think it's like any other sport where the best players (boxers) are highly skilled. Look at some of the boxers in the lower weights, they're highly skilled. Some of the best technicians today would be considered great technicians in other eras.

My fascination with the talk of the older era being more skilled than the current is whether a gatekeeper in previous eras were particularly skilled?

Ultimately, I think it's great that not everyone is a technician. Styles makes fights and there would be a lot of guys who would have had lesser careers if they pretended to be technicians.

 

JMM.....poorous defense???atsch

Some people obviously mistake technical skill and equate it to cautious defensive types like Whitaker, Mayweather, Hopkins.


People, when a fighter opens up and lets the punches flow, if he's fighting capable fighters, he's going to get hit some.

JMM has been for years one the better skilled fighters in boxing.

Natural physical gifts aside, purely in a boxistical sense when boxing and not physical skills like quickness, speed and power are taken into account, Marquez may be the best boxer of his generation.

Listen now.....do you think Mayweather with his boxing skill could do what Marquez does if Mayweathers quickness, speed, and power were brought down to Marquez' level?

Not that it would reduce Mayweather to nothing, he'd be a capable fighter regardless, but imo if you have a situation where both Marquez and Mayweather each posses the same amount of quickness, speed and power, I'd bet my house that Marquez would win a boxing match between them.

........thats bringing it down to who wins with pure skill......boxing skill.:deal






.......as for the thread starter, you're absolutely right.
You can count on one hand the true skill fighters active today who are fighting at the championship level.
.....this fact is the reason why a fighter like Pacroid is currently dominating.

 

you think this is clever?

 

Absolutely!

There are fans who swear that the boxer with the best skill wins.....and vice versa, fans who swear that the fighter who is stronger and hits harder wins......

Its absolutely about styles.......

A fighter with brute force and punching power may beat a fighter who is Grade A boxistically, but is weak in every other physical aspect.

Another fighter comes along with skill but not the
Grade A skill, but he beats the brute force with punching power fighter because he's got Grade B skill with Grade B strenghth and power.

When you match up that Grade B skill fighter with the fighter with Grade A skill but weak in every other aspect that got beaten by the brute force puncher, the Grade A in only skill fighter may end up beating the overall Grade B fighter.


.......styles make fights, its what makes boxing so much fun to watch.:yep:bbb

 

Marquez defense is more subtle. He is excellent at rolling punches limiting their effect. As to why even though Mayweather was landing alot of leather on Marquez, they werent as powerful because he was rolling them.

 

Very few if any fighters can exhibit the ammount of offensive that Marquez can without getting hit as much.

You know, when you look at Marquez during the time where he first fought Pacquiao there abouts......the great majority of forums called him a boring fighter......
During those days, Marquez would exhibit alot of technical skill without getting hit much, but he also had less knockouts and other fighters who watched him fight did'nt want to match up with him because offensively he was so well rounded and did'nt get hit all that much......

.....in order to be able to get the big fights, Marquez had to change that about himself, he had to put more emphasis on the destruction part of the game which meant he had to seek the ko.......which meant he had to sacrifice some defense.

......make no mistake, Marquez can be more defensively, but he's going to be less pleasing to watch for the fans.

 

All of what you say....absolutely.

......and as for Mayweather on his connects on Marquez, he had to guage very carefully the ammount of power he put out, because he knew if he putout too much, Marquez could, and would counter him.