Does anyone put Canelo over Barrera, Morales & Marquez...?

By not competing for the IBF, because Jacobs chose not to participate in the same day weigh in, that action by Jacobs didn't put the IBF Champ at a disadvantage because GGG was the IBF Champ and wouldn't be forced to put his title on the line against a fighter who didn't adhere to the rehydration limit. The only way that action by Jacobs would put the IBF Champ at a disadvantage would be if he would be forced to defend the title vs a guy like Jacobs who ballooned up in weight overnight and couldn't make the rehydration limit. Changing the rule to cater to Jacobs weight problems, however, that change did put the IBF Champ at a disadvantage because now GGG moving forward would have to defend the Title vs a fighter who bypassed the rehydration limit.

However you're arguing the opposite of that, that eliminating the required same day weigh-in for unifications somehow stopped the IBF Champ from being a disadvantage. It did the complete opposite, it allowed anyone to rehydrate as much as they wanted and still fight for the Title. That put the IBF Champ at disadvantage because now GGG, the IBF Champ could lose the title to an overweight challenger where he couldn't before. Now you're talking about the IBF making the rule changes so they woudln't lose sanctioning fees in such a scenario which is a completely different argument than the one who were making as to why the IBF made the change. The IBF rehydration limit existed to ensure that IBF Champs wouldn't have to defend the IBF Title vs a fighter who ballooned up in weight overnight like Jacobs. Now they would have to, so I don't see how this does anything but give Jacobs an advantage allowing him to win a title while not complying with their same day weigh-in rules, putting the IBF Champ at a considerable disadvanate having to defend their title against a fighter who didn't adhere to IBF rules regarding the rehydration limit.

Further, in post #131, you asked me for Quotes from Jacobs of him taking it upon himself to convince the IBF to eliminate the rehydration limit. You claimed I was mistaken when I stated that "Jacobs complained to the IBF and went to great lengths to somehow cause the IBF to agree with him and change its rules so that he could have massive weight advantages moving forward"

You said I was mistaken and claimed you couldn't find this anywhere. I then gave you the quote you asked for, showing Jacobs saying, "We made history 2 years ago when we changed the ruling of the IBF in how they, uh, take care of fighters with the 2nd day weigh-in in unification bout".

Then you denied that I was interpreting what Jacobs was saying correctly, when he admitted he / we did in fact change the ruling of the IBF, with you claiming Jacobs was referring to him and GGG which doesn't make sense. You can interpret what Jacobs said however you want, but clearly he did in fact say precisely what I indicated, as I showed you in that clip, that Jacobs himself was instrumental in getting the IBF rule change to benefit himself moving forward. So at the very least, you should have the decency to admit that I wasn't mistaken, that Jacobs did in fact indicate by is own words that he did in fact get the IBF to change their rule. Now what exactly that means, how exactly he did that remains unclear, but you can't deny that he said out of his own mouth that he did. I don't know why you think that saying he "made history" was referring to him deciding not to participate in the same day weigh-in. He was clearly referring to him getting the IBF rule changed, which would be more than just deciding not to do the same day weigh-in and not be allowed to fight for the IBF belt as a result.

 

I tell it like it is An innocent man & a damn good fighter's good name & career was tarnished by a POS's blatant lie & a crooked or incompetant ( you choose) state commission. Tony was in the way & neither Oscar nor Floyd had the balls to fight him so they railroaded him

 

ROFLMAO Almost as long as War & Peace I'm not reading that lol

 

OK lets keep it simple CJ, as I was responding directly to BCS8. What do you make of what Jacobs did vs GGG, choosing to not do the rehydration limit, and then causing the IBF to change their rule to allow Jacobs to balloon up in weight overnight after making weight and still fight for the title? Do you think that's fair, a good thing for boxing? Anotherwords, do you like the IBF rule regarding rehydration limits, and what do you make of Jacobs crusade to get the IBF to allow him to complete for the IBF Title without making the rehydration limit? I am seeking out your thoughts on this issue CJ to get a different opinion on this.

 

That's your theory CJ, and you can believe whatever you want about Canelo or the NSAC, and their judges agendas. But just keep in mind that everyone doesn't see things the way that you do. And you should have the decency to respect others who have differing views about such matters.

 

You're trying to deflect from the point about who was insisting on the catchweight by now talking about how much of a domination you claim it was, and then trying to claim that because it was a domination, which it wasn't, that this somehow proves that it would have been a domination whether or not there was a catchweight. Stop trying to excuse what Mayweather did there. He insisted on the catchweight, clearly, which put Canelo at a significant disadvantage, which you admit happened which is important and was my whole point all along, then Mayweather lied about it and claimed it was Canelo's side who offered to fight him at a catchweight, which was complete BS and you know it. Further Canelo makes it very clear that he was silenced from revealing the origins of the catchweight or talking about it. That's blackmail, anotherwords if Canelo or his team would have talked about the real story behind the catchweight, Canelo would risk losing the fight vs Mayweather. That's highly manipulative underhanded tactics my Mayweather to gain an advantage over Canelo.

That's shameful, shameful behavior from Mayweather and it's about time that this gets exposed for what it was. Yet you don't see to have any problem with it, you just continue talking about how much you think of a domination it was and how much you think the catchweight made no difference to that. You're slobbering all over Mayweather here and it's repulsive. Canelo got short-changed, blackmailed, lied about from Mayweather who conned the public into believing that Canelo's team was dumb, stupid that Canelo voluntarily offered to fight Maywether at a catchweight. Clearly that's not what happened. Clearly only agreed to 152 out of reluctance because Floyd continued to insist on a catchweight or no fight. And that right there, as BCS8 and others pointed out, taints the win, however dominant you think it was.

The fact is that we never got a legit, straight up 154-lb unification between Canelo and Mayweather that the sport deserved. Instead we got a cheap, manipuative Team Mayweather lying about what happeneing and blackmailing Canelo and his team into "silence" from revealing the truth until after the fight. That's corruption at its core, from Mayweather, that's the kind of stuff that causes CJ and others to criticize Mayweather and how he gets advantages. And even worse, is that that also led to people thinking that this means that Canelo does the same sort of thing that Mayweather did to him, which he clearly doesn't. Unlike Team Mayweather, Canelo and his team are honest and fair. They don't blackmail fighters into silence, manipulate the public into believing lies like Mayweather did to him. It is crticial you understand this so we finally once and for all realize who the good guys are (Team Canelo) and who the bad guys are (Team Mayweather).

 

lol When you start using C.J. as support you know your position is shaky.

 

OK CJ, make your case defending Tony. You're entitled to that. If Tony was a good honest fighter, who was wronged by false allegations, then lets do our due diligence moving forward in identifying who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.

If neither Oscar or Floyd had the balls to fight Tony, and they railroaded him, then that's cause for concern. However, you seem to be blaming a lot of different people for Tony being railroaded. Was it Nazim Richardson's lies according to you, was it the state commision who backed the report about the loaded gloves. This is the first I've heard you claim that Oscar or Floyd themselves played a role in railroading Tony. I'm not in any way shape or form defending Oscar or Floyd, but please elaborate on what you mean by that? How does Oscar or Floyd's refusal to fight Tony translate into Oscar or Floyd "railroading" Tony in regards to the loaded gloves controversy?

 

Well you're the one who claimed "You still the man, C.J.". Does that make your position shaky? I'm trying to appeal to CJ and better understand where he's coming from, regarding his views on Tony and any of his other theories, not kissing up to him like you by saying he's "the man" lmao.

CJ obviously feels very strongly about certain things related to Tony, Mayweather, Canelo, the NSAC, etc, and rather than shoot down his theories, I'm trying to give him a chance to elaborate and potentially give what he's saying more credibility if it is in fact warranted.

 

No, C.J. is the man. You, on the other hand,... lol Just joking. I know you can talk about Alvarez all night but I have reached my limit. You win! Have a good evening.

 

Bro, just be real, and be fair. Stop trying to win an argument and just look at the facts, and criticize who deserves to be criticzed and exonerate who deserves to be exonerated. I'm sick and tired of people trying to make Canelo the bad guy, when he's a good honest fighter. His team are good, honest trainers and good, honest, fair negotiators. Now, I can't say the same about De La Hoya or Mayweather, and I'm happy Canelo finally split with De La Hoya and is now working with Eddie Hearn as his promoter.

 

I am being real. I just see things differently from you. I don’t call Alvarez a ped cheat because I don’t know if he is or isn’t. However, I do remember the lead up to the Mayweather fight and to say that Alvarez was drained is just an excuse after the fact. Alvarez agreed to the catch weight so don’t use it as an excuse after you lose. I know Alvarez sucker punched that flyweight back in the day but he seems to have cleaned up his act so I have nothing against him now.

 

Good, and that's fine that you see things differently. It would be boring if we all had the same view and opinion about things. I have consistently shown a willingness and respect for anyone who sees things differently than me, and to engage in a productive talk about things with anyone who disagrees with me. You have instant credibility with me by you not calling Canelo a PED cheat, because you don't know. Right there, that puts you ahead of a large amount of this forum who continues to write checks that their ass can't cash.

You're still not getting it, your memory of the lead up is foggy and was influenced by Mayweather's lies and what went on behind the scenes. Now you know that Canelo was effecetively silenced by Mayweather and couldn't reveal or talk about anything about the catchweight or risk losing the fight. Just think about that for a moment. There was absolutely no justification whatsoever for the fight to be at a catchweight. Mayweather had just beaten Cotto at 154 and was defending his 154-lb title. Canelo had been fighting at 154 for years and defending the 154-lb title. Again, stop making excuses for Mayweather. It wasn't used as an excuse after the fact, Canelo didn't make any excuses whatsoever, about the decision or about the catchweight. He only revealed the truth behind the catchweight later on when he was pressed about what really happened in an interview.

So this isn't about Canelo using the catchweight as an excuse, it's simply about pointing out that he had to agree to it or else Mayweather would not have fought him on even, fair terms. Mayweather had to have advantages in order to fight Canelo, anotherwords wouldn't fight Canelo in a fair fight. Canelo just wanted to be the best and the only way to fight Mayweather was to agree to Mayweather's demands, similar to Pacquiao vs Cotto, Cotto vs Marintez, etc. That is diva behavior from Mayweather and he lied about it and tried to silence Canelo's team from revealing the truth. Alvarez agreeing to the catchweight doesn't make it right or justifable. It was Mayweather cowardly and shamefully using his power to gain an advantage over Canelo in order to fight him, rather than fighting him on an even playing field like he constantly talked about wanting. This is a blantant example of the kind of A-side shenanigans that Mayweather started that fans cannot stand. With Mayweather his rhetoric about Olympic Style drug testing was supposed all about creating an even playing field, but really it was just about giving himself any advantage that he could get, which exposes Mayweather as the hypocrit and liar that he is.

And for what it's worth, my theory about Mayweather is that he was a good honest fighter in his early days. It wasn't until he went to prison and became a convicted felon that he became so dishonest and manipulative. His psychology completely changed when he came out of prison, and I lost most of the respect I had for Mayweather previously. Truth be told, I was a fan of Mayweather before he went to prison. When he was an exciting, pure entertaining talent with a normal sized head. But when he came out of prison, his head ballooned up in size while in prison and his entire psycholgy changed as is typical of those who serve time in prison. Floyd after he came out of prison, became this manipulative, vindictive, money grabbing attention seeking clown which harmed the sport. I miss the Maywether who fought RIcky Hatton, before he went to prison, before he changed his morals and attitude so drastically. Mayweather literally went from a good guy before prison to a bad guy after prison.

Please elaborate on what happened, I never heard a story about him sucker punching a flyweight back in the day.

 

Archie Solis was the flyweight’s name.

 

Oh right. I heard about this story. Supposedly, as Solis claims, Canelo confronted Solis asked him why he was messing with his woman.

http://www.myboxingfans.com/2011/10/canelo-alvarez-in-a-street-brawl-see-photos/

“I ran into Alvarez after training and I moved to the side to let him pass,” Solis told El Universal newspaper. “He ran into me. He asked me, ‘Why are you messing with my woman?’ I told him that I don’t even know her and all of a sudden he hit me with a left and right cross that fractured my jaw. I fell back and he hit me with two more punches– To the temple and the chest.”

Canelo told the Mexican media that it was his brother who hit Solis. “It’s not true at all. [The fight] wasn’t with me. It was with one of my brothers, but not with me. I was there. I just want to clarify that it’s not true,” Alvarez said.

If it was a fight over a woman, as the article states, there's always 2 sides to every story and then there's the truth.

But if Solis was messing with his girl in this picture :

http://www.myboxingfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/477247.jpg

Damn, I mean she's pretty hot, if I had a girlfriend like that and someone was messing with her, a sucker punch wouldn't be out of the question. But exact details on what happened and who attacked Solis are still sketchy, if Solis was attacked by Canelo's brother and not Canelo, he might have trouble differentiating who attacked him especially if he was seeking $$ and a financial reward for the damage inflicted on him. Solis might have claimed it was Canelo because he knew Canelo had more $$ to give him in a lawsuit rather than his brother who didn't have the kind of $$ Canelo had.

I think the only way to verify this story and what really happened is to interview Canelo's woman, Marisol Gonzalez, for clarity on what happened and if Solis messed with her or not, or if it was Canelo's brother who attacked him. Either way, I have no idea who to believe here, but Canelo claims the fight was between Solis and his brother, that he didn't throw the punch.

We know that Woman can cause Men to fight over women and do crazy things. Mayweather's ex-girlfriend accused him of beating her in front of their children, and Mayweather went to jail over it. Mayweather's story was that he was merely restraining her. Who do you believe, Mayweather or his ex-girlfriend? There's always two sides to every story, then there's the truth.