Does anyone put Canelo over Barrera, Morales & Marquez...?

He is a great fighter. When his career is over then we can look at everything in the round to determine his ATG status.

 

The NSAC NEVER inspected his wraps except for the normal pre fight watching his hands wrapped. No one even thought of Tony having loaded wraps until the Mosely debacle & that POS Richardson's " PLASTER BLOCKS" blatant lie. Why did he do that? No one knows, I tried to ask him
about it a while afterwards & he just walked away wouldnt even speak to me. He knew what he'd done, neither would the CSAC rep speak to me. suspended his boxing license. The mystery is why would a trainer lie like that? Was there a conspiracy to get rid of Tony without Floyd or Oscar having to fight him because they were both thinking Cotto would beat Tony & wanted to fight him? When Tony LEGITIMATELY kicked Cotto's ass & made him quit on his knees it scared both off obviously.
Cotto saw it as an excuse for him getting his ass kicking & he joined in on the accusations, ne saw it as an excuse for his embarrassment
When the CSAC suspended Tony the NSAC & other commissions just went along with it all except Texas as they knew Tony & believed in his innocence.
Their evil deed was done They'd ruined a good fighters career & good name based SOLELY on a deliberate lie. No one would say why Richardson was never officially asked where those "plaster blocks" went to
that he claimed he saw. I think I know why too & its stinks worse than the fish docks in summer
Knowing Tony it broke his heart to be accused of cheating I hope Karma
takes care of all the guilty parties they certainly deserve it in my book

 

He will always be remembered as the fighter that had the state commission & Vegas boxing in his pocket which gave him the assurance he would never lose again there. Which when you look at the Vegas judges scorecards in some of his fights they did a damn good job of protecting him too
He will be remembered as a good fighter, even nearing greatness , but who sold his soul to earn his so called success

 

There you go again.

 

But its the truth Olu even you know that Canelo is the Vegas cash cow & will never be allowed to lose a dec there. Just like Mayweather was before him.
What narks me is my buddy Antonio Margarito never got a chance to face Mayweather. I honestly think Tony would have beaten him & Oscar.
I'd like to see a 100% fair fight with no biased officials just for once between GGG & Canelo wayyyy awayyy from Sin City Corruption but Ginger said No way lol Wonder why ??

 

Floyd Mayweather is not sure if Canelo is Pacman level. However, Floyd is certain Pacman is above MAB & Morales.

Floyd Mayweather dominated JMM so Floyd hints JMM is better than Canelo, ATG Chris John nods graciously...Floyd changes his mind instantly and ranks Canelo above JMM...He prefers Canelo as his main & bottom line, so nobody shares the pleasure of pasting a Red L on Ginger record other than the legendary Floyd Mayweather

That is the only thing Matters...

Canelo is in eternal bondage, he will never be allowed to lose again, Floyd Mayweather wants Ginger to beat everybody and disappear with a lone L to him. If that happens Floyd Mayweather becomes the undisputed GOAT in the nominal age.

Planned or by Accident, Floyd Mayweather legacy is getting boosted & He is loving it

 

So Floyd's living vicariously through Canelo is what you're saying. What an honor that must be for Canelo to have Mayweather as a fanboy and cheerleader of him rooting for him every time so his legacy is boosted.

And what about Pacquiao, is Mayweather's legacy getting boosted every time Pacquiao wins? Like when Pacquiao beat Thurman, did that boost Mayweather's legacy? What about GGG, is he boosting Canelo's legacy every time he wins?

 

I do find it interesting that he had been accused of having loaded wraps vs Cotto, but yet it wasn't THOSE wraps that had been deemed to be illegal, it was his wraps prior to the Mosley fight that cause the controversy and forced to him re-wrap and resulted in the suspension.

I think the first thing is that, if anything, you should be upset at the CSAC, not the NSAC. The California State Athletic Commission was the commission who forced him to re-wrap, then suspended him.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2010/07/09/margarito-license

In his dressing room prior to the Mosley fight, it was discovered that Margarito's hand wraps were loaded with a hardened, illegal substance, which ultimately resulted a one-year suspension from the CSAC.

The Evil deed according to you was done by the California State Athletic Commision, NOT the Nevada State Athletic Commision who you love to criticize. The article from July 2010 it states :

The ruling prevented him from fighting anywhere in the United States in accordance with the rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions. Though his suspension ended earlier this year, Margarito has yet to be reinstated for a license in the U.S.

So I don't think the NSAC had much say in the matter, it was the California ruling that forced ALL commissions in the US to suspend him in accordance with the rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions.

Margarito's lone fight since that controversial evening took place in Mexico this past May, when the "Tijuana Tornado" won a 10-round decision over Roberto Garcia.

As you can see, the only place Margarito was allowed to fight in was Mexico. At the time, he was not allowed to fight in Texas either.

However a month later, in August, Texas did reinstate his license in a 5-1 vote.

https://www.espn.com/dallas/news/story?id=5501424

But, to be clear, the NSAC did not take any steps to suspend Tony. They did what ALL commissions were forced to do accordance with the rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions as a result of the California ruling.

So you should be upset at the CSAC, not the NSAC here CJ. The CSAC is who caused Tony to be suspended by EVERY Commission in the US, NOT specifically the NSAC. Tony couldn't fight in California, he couldn't fight in Nevada, he couldn't fight in New York, he couldn't fight in MSG the Mecca of Boxing, he couldn't fight ANYWHERE in the US Until finally Texas decided to vote to re-instate him.

You constantly complain about how the Nevada State Athletic Commision is corrupt, but in this case you should be upset at California for what they did to Tony, not Nevada. Nevada had no choice but to comply with the rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions.

I know this is upsetting to you and I know what it's like to feel that you were wronged. You have every right to be upset, and while I personally still aren't sure who to believe, this is obviously very important to you to exonerate Tony and I applaud your passion in defending and making your case that Tony was wronged.

So, you should be upset, not at Nevada, but at California for what they did to Tony. Nevada didn't do anything to specifically suspend Tony. They were foced to do so as every state commision was in according to the rules of the Association of Boxing Commisions.

I would also cite the circumstantial evidence involved here which made it very hard to believe your side of the story. First of all, Cotto was beaten to a bloody pulp. It was a brutal beating and frankly the punches that landed on Cotto that bruised him as bad as he did, didn't look particularly hard or impactful. This is highly suspicious and why the whole country became convinced that he was using loaded gloves. Further, this photograph only added to the suspicion and played a role in why he was suspended and accused of being a cheat :

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xgXwv0jhiTs/maxresdefault.jpg

Look at that handwrap in this photograph which was taken in the ring after he won and was celebrating. The handwrap was literally split at the knuckle, and you can see the gauze coming out of it. I have never seen a handwrap show a gaping crack at the knuckle when a fighter takes off their glove. That is highly suspicious CJ. The only way that a handwrap would crack like that at the knuckle through a glove and have a gaping hole in it was if it was unnaturally hard. I don't know how you can explain this away CJ. This photo of Margarito's handwrap afte rhe took off his glove showing a gaping hole around the knuckle is very damning and this more than anything else caused a lot of people to become convinced that his hand wraps were not legal. Combined with the facial brusing Cotto received from seemingly normal looking punches, it's only makes it more suspicious. As many ringside observes attested to, in the early rounds Cotto did not appear to be taking much damage, but as the fight wore on Cotto started showing insane amounts of facial bruising every time Tony landed a punch. Then he takes off his glove after the stoppage and his wraps are so hard there's a crack at the knuckle. That is not normal to see a fighter's wrap have a gaping hole in it at the knuckle. The only logical conclusion to all this was that his handwrap became harder and harder as the fight wore on, so much so that it the wrap actually cracked from the impact which you can see from that Cotto. Cotto looked like a bloody mess. It was a dark day for boxing CJ, and despite your passionate defending of Tony, it is very hard to look at that photo of a cracked handwrap around the knuckle, seeing Cotto's face turned into a bloody mess and conclude as you have that everything was on the up and up. Handwraps aren't supposed to be so hard that they crack at the knuckle during a match. They're supposed to be soft, to protect the hands and when combined they remain soft.

 

You are correct, except Canelo (and GGG) are exclusive property of Floyd Mayweather and nobody else.

GGG is an exclusive sub-property of Mayweather.

Only way Canelo can break the bondage chains is by fighting more often, catching an L to debase Floyd property and maybe become an actual ATG ala Pacman or Duran in the process of soul-liberation. If Canelo goes public and demands real fights he might get put in jail or fails tests prior to fights, so it's unlikely he can break free...unless he intentionally does it in a middle of a fight he is supposed to win.. and offsets everybody with a bet, comes back wins the rematch...stalk Mayweather Margarito style...then he will get respect

GGG wanted to enjoy terminal Capitalism, he can't be blamed, the Utopian Soviet hunger is real. He wholesold so it will be harder for him to get any ATG legacy that puts him above Canelo

 

Mayweather could have fought GGG at 154 and urinated in his pants instead. It is what it is.

 

Floyd proven he is smarter than everybody, he criminalized Margarito by triggering the emotional island. Gave Canelo his first L, then arranged for Abel Sanchez to turn GGG out...those Big Bear long talks and the capitalist catalogs of goods and services the Canelo fight can buy, are irresistible to most people, especially Slavic victims of Systematic Anti-capitalism. After Floyd got rid of GGG, he flew discreetly to the Kingdom and met with the tall lady in charge of the social cohesion of Imperial Siam, he explained his concerns about Wanheng Menayothin short stature mis-representing Siamese beauty...he suggested that the taller Prada is a better Thai to hold the title, before leaving Floyd handed the tall officer an exotic diamond necklace and kissed her large delicate hands, next morning Wanheng mother told him she had a dream that he has to unretire or a millennia of misfortune will haunt their offspring and ancestors. With Wanheng out of the Way...Floyd is content "for now"

 

Canelo is one of the greatest Mexican fighters. The greatest Mexican fighter is Julio C. Chavez IMO.

 

Floyd triggered the "emotional island"? Please elaborate on what you mean by this. It seems your responses are a combination of hyperbole with elements of truth mixed in. Good storytelling, it was a fun read.

So can you break down what specifically caused all this? What was it about Canelo that made him so special that Mayweather wanted him to be his "property" in the first place? And if you were Canelo, how would you feel about that. On the one hand, that's an honor to have TBE trying to ride your coattails like that. At the same time, do you really want Mayweather being such a big fan of you and so invested in your success? And further, do you think Mayweather has pulled the strings behind the scenes to help Canelo win? Like do you think Mayweather had anything to do with Byrd scoring Canelo GGG 1 10-2? Surely Mayweather didn't have anything to do with CJ Ross scoring his fight with Canelo a draw. That was before Mayweather had acquired the property, and did CJ Ross's draw card lower the value of Mayweather's investment, creating all that controversy in his win?

But what I'm trying to understand is what really caused Canelo to become Mayweather's exclusive property? Was it just getting a win over him or was there more to it, was it something else? If it was just getting a win over him then would that mean Pacquiao is Mayweather's property too? After all Mayweather beat Pacquiao much wider on the cards. What made Canelo so special that Mayweather wanted to have Canelo as his property, and how shoud Canelo feel about that. Honored to have TBE's blessing and support or a little weirded out by it all?

That's a hard defense of GGG clouded through comedy. The "No matter what he did, he can do no wrong" argument because of the economic system of the country he was born in and escaped to realize capitalism by fighting in America. So GGG "sold out", and by virtue of the transitive property of having fought Canelo, became a sub-property of Mayweather?

Very well thought out responses, like a cup of ice cream with sprinkles of truth mixed in. I like it, I'm entertained, so much so I wanna hear more. Please go on and elaborate on the whole Mayweather fighter sub-property idea. Has this just been hidden from the public the whole time and now you're finally letting the cat out of the bag on this one?

 

Like him or not, top fighter. I'll always have him below Marquez, Morales etc but he still could prove me wrong depending on how his career finishes.

 

That’s thread, not a crack. This was exposed long ago.