Does anyone put Canelo over Barrera, Morales & Marquez...?

You should be thanking me for breaking it down for you. You resort to mockery because you've been exposed as making **** up, believing stuff that you can't prove. Be it Canelo demanding GGG fight at 155, or believing that Canelo couldn't have ingested contaminated meat. Whatever the case may be, you or BCS8 have beliefs about Canelo that are not rooted in fact. What I'm doing is exposing your beliefs as nothing more than your imagination running wild. The facts are there if anyone was pushing for a 155 catchweight with GGG, it was DLH, and DLH would have had every reason to make that demand of GGG given GGG's willingness to come down for Mayweather, given how accepted catchweights had become due to their use by Mayweather, Cotto and Pacquiao, and in the case of Ward, getting Dawson to agree to drop down a weight class to fight him. No one had any problem with Mayweather, Cotto Pacquiao, and Ward draining fighters, so why would anyone have a problem with talk of Canelo draining fighters? After all, Mayweather, Cotto, Pacquiao, and Ward set that standard that became accepted, that catchweights are the new normal and no reason for alarm.

Lets be very clear. Mayweather, Cotto, Pacquiao and Ward got away with weight bullying other fighters, draining fighters and using that to win big legacy defining fights. Canelo never won fights that way by gaining those kind of advantages. And you acting like he did while ignoring that Mayweather, Cotto, Pacquiao and Ward were able to do that is insane.

 

Were you a Wlad hater?

I don't hate any fighters Pimp. It's such a f'n stupid word. I despised Floyd because he was a women beating, often racist, dickhead. I appreciated his abilities 99% of the time, but even I could call him out on his stinkers and BS. Yeah, I hated most of the idiot floyd fanboys here. You and your boyfriends LOVED to gang up on me and spread lies back in the day. And you always thought if someone argued w/ you or the other flmos, that automatically meant hate. Your bunch weren't exactly rocket scientists, just casual fanboys. Hence why losers like Michiganwarrior, bigtime9, bbalchump, etc... aren't even watching boxing anymore since floyd left.

 

Delusional....

 

[... arrrroooooooooooooooo more desperate ranting ... ]

Way to self-own yourself in a single post

 

Unrequited love, I say. Ever since Canelo posted that bathroom scale pic with a sock in his undies, Shadow has been a bit more desperate than usual

 

Pacquiao drained Cotto.
Mayweather drained Canelo
Mayweather agreed to draining himself for Marquez, then ignored it, came in over the agreed limit, still fought him anyway.
Ward drained Dawson to come down from 175 to 168.
Cotto drained Martinez, the Champ, to 159. Martinez even called him a diva about it.
Cotto drained Geale to 157.
Cotto demanded Canelo fight him at 155.
GGG said he would come down to 154 for Mayweather as that's his dream fight.

Nothing delusional about me pointing out that all these things happened, and no one had any problem with them when they happened. These agreements were accepted, no one complained about them like they did when De La Hoya started tossing around the idea of GGG fighting Canelo at 155. That was De La Hoya saying that, not Canelo. But the fact is that, talk or not, Canelo didn't end up fighting GGG at 155, so unlike these other fights involving Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Ward that happened, it's a moot point because Canelo, unlike Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Ward, didn't end up draining fighters, didn't end up defending titles or challenging for titles at catchweights that gave himself an advantage over his opponents. This begs the question, why aren't you outraged at Pac draining Cotto, or Mayweather draining Canelo, or Cotto draining Martinez and Geale, if you're so upset about De La Hoya talking abiout Canelo fighting GGG at 155? Why is it OK for Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Ward to drain fighters but Canelo needs to be penalized because his promoter "talked" about doing what Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Ward actually did but didn't end up doing it?

 

Wrong.

 

Who the eff is talking about all them??? Good ol 'whataboutism'.... the goto when you got nothing to go with. Keep trying lil one.

 

You claimed that Canelo tried to drain GGG to 155. You got it backwards. That is what Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and Ward did to other fighters, and what GGG said he would be happy to drain himself to 154 to fight Mayweather. Canelo never drained a fighter like that. Canelo never said anything about trying to drain a fighter. The only person who said anything about fighting GGG at 155 was De La Hoya, after Cotto had been defending the MW Title for years at catchweights. Which given what Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and Ward did and given what GGG said he would do for Mayweather, seems perfectly in line with what had been going on in boxing for years. Yet somehow it's only OK for Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and Ward to drain fighters or for GGG to talk about draining himself for Mayweather, but it's not OK for De La hoya to talk about fighting GGG at 155. How does that work?

 

About what?

 

No I didn't like Wlad and rooted for him to lose every fight he had.
Boxing isn't full of great guys I don't turn to boxing to find them. Like I've always said I don't care about what a boxer does outside the ring unless he rapes or kills someone. I like PBF because he was a once in a generation talent which I recognized early on and schooled guys with ease.

 

damn you... good post

 

Im working so I don’t have much time. You are delusional. So Canelo never benefitted from catch weights, he has no choice of opponents and he’s never benefitted from gift decisions? Did you not see the first GGG fight? As I recall, there were a couple fights at JMW in which he benefitted from at least generous judging.

Also, so winning percentage doesn’t count for Velario because he didn’t fight enough but you are singing JCC because he fought until he was a hundred years old? Give me a break. I thought my comments about Canelo were fair. I’m a fan but not a blind fanboy like many of you Canelo lovers. He’s a very good fighter but I don’t think he will ever top JCC, especially among my Mexican fight fan friends. If he legitimately cleans out MW and beats the top SMWs, he will have a great legacy. Certainly in the conversation of the great fighters if his era, assuming he doesn’t need gift decisions against these guys.

 

About people not caring about catchweights etc.

Floyd drained the life out of Canelo and for me his win will always be tainted by that. It wasn't a clean win. It was a win over a weakened adversary. Cotto drained the life out of Geale and Geale looked like living death at the weigh in. That also was not a fair contest. People had a lot to say about those at the time.

It's sad that a guy like Canelo has to resort to these tricks to beat opponents. He might have legitimately been great but he's pissed all over his legacy.

 

That's 2 separate issues. No, Canelo has never benefitted from a catchweight. Name me a catchweight that benefitted Canelo and not his opponent. The only possible argument is Chavez Jr, but it's not a strong argument. Chavez has a history of blowing up in weight. Remember when he fought Jacobs, that was not a catchweight and he ended up coming in way over the limit by several pounds anyway. The catchweight was agreed to allow Chavez Jr to come in well over the Middleweight limit and not pay a penalty. It was also a non-title fight so there was no title on the line. Without a catchweight Chavez would have have to drain himself to make 160. He made 160 several years earlier when he fought Martinez for the title, but at that point could not safely make 160 where Canelo was preparing to fight GGG at. Canelo agreed to allow Chavez to come in way over the limit to make the fight, giving away 10+ lbs from his previous fight.

There isn't a boxer in boxing history who hasn't benefitted from gift decisions. Judging is subjective, and judging, good or bad, cannot in any way shape or form be blamed on a fighter. It is delusional to blame a fighter for how judges score a boxing match.

If the # of fights are comparable, winning % matters more. Of course Valero's winning % matters, but it doesn't supersede # of fights or # of wins. When a fighter has over twice the amount of wins as another undefeated fighter, he can sustain a loss and still be well ahead because he fought many more times. The more you fight, the more chances you have to lose. In Canelo's case, the one loss is to arguably the greatest and most hard to beat fighter of the last several decades. And it was at a catchweight which put Canelo at a disadvantage, the same argument that is being used by you and others to try to penalize Canelo claiming he didn't really win some of his fights because of catchweights or judging or whatever your argument is. If you're gonna play that game, that Canelo should have more losses or some of his wins shouldn't count for comparison purposes, then we can play that game with Mayweather's win over Canelo as well since it was at a catchweight. Criticizing Canelo for having catchweights that benefitted his opponents while ignoring his only loss being fought at a catchweight that benefitted his opponent isn't being consistent. You can't have it both ways.

As far as JCC having over 100 wins, and starting his career 89-0-1, that demands respect. it is hard to top winning staying undefeated through 90 bouts. Again, the more fights you have, the more impressive that is and the more losses you can sustain. When you're comparing two fighters with a similar # of fights, # of losses and % winning matters more. When one fighter has way more fights and wins than another, he can theoretically sustain more losses because he's fought so many more times. Winning % still matters, it just doesn't matter as much as when you're comparing fighters with a similar # of fights. KO % and # of times KO'd also matters.

I'm not a blind fanboy or a Canelo "lover". Grow up with such nonsense. And by the way I tend to agree about him not being able to top JCC, especially amongst Mexicans. JCC was a true icon and with over 100 wins and a long career, the fact that he remained undefeated in his first 90 fights, even after sustaining losses towards the end of his career, he had such an incredible undefeated run that you can excuse some of those losses when he was an old man and still consider him the greatest for how active he was and the undefeated streak.

And as far as Gift Decisions, JCC got a gift decision when he fought Sweet Pea. Everybody agrees he lost, but JCC got a "gift decision" draw. It can happen when you're a big draw, a legend in the sport. it's not something that would be used to knock JCC down a notch as judges scoring are totally out of a fighter's control.