Does anyone think Cotto has as good chance to win tonight?

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  1. stonehammerjack

    stonehammerjack Member Full Member

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    I agree. It would be interesting to see Floyd fight a boxer and counterpuncher that made him lead. I think the Pac fight would be interesting because of the speed and foot movement. But how does M do against a Whitakre or Azu Nelson type? it woulbe interesting to see.
     
  2. Flea Man

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    When Cotto showed a supposedly rounded game to take Mosley down the stretch in a very close one, it was deemed as a major feather in the cap for the developing welterweight champion.

    In fact, it was the start of Cotto's downfall. He simply isn't good enough to execute what he knows he needs to do, he shows some cute touches defensively but is a step off the mark as the fight progresses, he throws in combination but wide, he digs with his shots but lacks a massive dig, he tries to navigate his man a lot more nowadays and he's simply not good enough.

    Shame he lacks the physicality/confidence to impose his all-out aggressive game of 140, but the jack of all trades master of none Cotto is the norm now. And it's not enough to beat Floyd.

    I will be wearing my Ecko Cotto t-shirt with pride though :D
     
  3. Gesta

    Gesta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cotto does not stand a chance, to slow, to wide, not sharp enough. Sure he looked good vs his to latest foes , but they were to far gone, Floyd ant no Mayorga or Margorito , quick stright lead rights all day.

    His jab is good , but not good enough or quick enough or hard enough for Floyd. He punches are wide but dont come from all angles ala Pac , has good pressure but does not throw enough to unsettle Floyd, has ok power but not enough. SO he is not going to win by speed, or power or swarming him and he ant going to out box him, I just cannot see this version of Cotto winning.

    A few years ago it might of been diferant. Fans request Floyd to fight a great boxer Floyd ducks fighter , a few years later when they are gone he fights them and wins. Same move everytime.
     
  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  5. HawkFan16

    HawkFan16 Unshot/In My Prime Full Member

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    The bolded part is telling. Especially because after that process happens, Floyd fans claim he would have whupped the guy he just waited out even if the other guy was in his prime. Floyd's a great fighter but he kills his own legacy by not taking on the biggest challenges immediately at every opportunity when the opponents would be at their most dangerous. He only takes fights where he himself is absolutely confident of victory. If Floyd himself isn't 100% sure he can win, he won't fight a guy. That's why he hasn't fought Martinez or even Pacquiao yet. Even though I think he'd UD Pacquiao, Floyd probably thinks there's a less than 100% certainty he beats Pacquiao.

    I think he's 100% sure he can beat Cotto though, which is why the fight's happening. Nevertheless, I'll be rooting for Cotto and hope he pulls off the big upset, but stylistically, I think the new boxer-puncher Cotto is less of a challenge for Floyd than the aggressive pressure swarmer/brawler/body puncher Cotto pre-Margarito. If Cotto turns back the clock to that style but tries to jab his way in and look to counter the lead right with the left to the body over and over, and then follow it up with more body shots/inside work, and he mixes up his attack at different ranges on his way in and out, he might have a chance to make it a rough, tough fight for Floyd. But I don't think he can anymore. His punch resistance isn't what it once was, and temperamentally, Cotto is more of an outside fighter now who's averse to taking any punishment to get inside.
     
  6. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great handicapping, FM
     
  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    No
     
  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    No need to really read after this as it seems obvious Cotto does not have the physicality to get the job done. Since he doesn't have the physicality, then he's required to have a high octane (endurance) and high speed of pressure, or as you elegantly call it "dynamism of foot." Cotto at this stage of his career does not have that. So for whatever new tricks or improved foot-work learned in the Margo fight should be rather futile and meaningless against Floyd.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ortiz potentially was the biggest threat to Floyd since the Oscar fight. Not because Ortiz was tremendously skilled, but because he was big. He had the physicality, and attributes. Even with a half cocked strategy, he had moments of success, particularly when he seemingly randomly decided to aggressively attack Mayweather, particularly finding success the left lead of his. I also do not agree that Mayweather man-handled Ortiz in the clinches. I thought Ortiz when pushing forward showed that he was the stronger of the two, but that Mayweather could handle his strength well enough.

    Cotto does not have the physicality, nor is he good enough to out-box Mayweather. The Cotto of 140-147 would be far more suited to implement a high octane, pressure oriented style. That version would at least have a chance. This version doesn't seem to even have a prayer.
     
  9. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Easy fight for Floyd.

    If you are a whole gear slower than Floyd, and Cotto is(95% of active boxers are), you better be a special, special boxer or you are getting blown out.

    Cotto is plenty competent, he's very good. Hits hard, good jab, lots of heart, a real fighter and a skilled one at that. But he is not one of history's supreme technicians, and has never been greased lightning.

    All this adds up to mismatch against Mayweather. I suspect it will look like the Marquez fight because it IS like the Marquez fight in terms of the mismatch of gifts and styles. It won't go quite as bad because Cotto has more man to him than Marquez, but its gonna be close to a blowout.
     
  10. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Is anyone going to go out on a limb and predict Cotto wins a round?
     
  11. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    I think he will win 3 rounds.......all them in the first 7 rounds......
     
  12. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I see a shutout. I don't think Cotto wins more than 2 rounds at best. If he does win rounds they will definitely have to come in the first half of the fight.
     
  13. KOTF

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  14. ATP

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    As already mentioned, i'l always be amazed at floyds pure skill as a boxer, but his attitude is ****ing garbage...
     
  15. big man

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    Good fight this one and probably Floyd's most entertaining actually.

    It was nice to see him busted up and I wouldn't mind betting he'll be nursing some sore ****ing ribs for a bit.

    That said Floyd looked terrific largely but like Whitaker as he's aging the gap he once enjoyed over everyone is gradually closing which makes for more entertaining fights.

    Cotto started slow but really found his rhythm mid rounds and mixed some good body punching with more flush shots upstairs than I've ever seen Money shop before.

    Mayweathers punching accuracy is still amazing though and he controlled the fight mid ring and was competitive against the ropes.

    A very good fight though and the best buy I've had in a long time (my last 3 ppv buys were Hopkins-Dawson 1, Mayweather-Ortiz and ****ing Green-Briggs so I was due a good one).