Does beating Cotto or Lemieux do anything for Golovkin's legacy?

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  1. Jim Jeffries

    Jim Jeffries Ring General banned Full Member

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    I don't think it does but just to say he unified the belts. But the belts don't mean nothing it's who you fight.


    Golovkin could ''dare to be great'' and go up in weight to create a legacy. He's at the point that he's 33 and hasn't fought the best competition but it's not his fault. He's just fighting the guys in his division.


    The middleweight division is weak. I mean if he fought Lemiuex it would be an exciting fight for how long it lasts. Even though Lemieux will get his chin smashed to pieces. He does have a punchers chance.


    I just think he should just test the waters at 168 as he's too good for the rest of the middleweight division.


    There's no Hagler there for him to fight. There's no real defining fight for him and i think Andre Ward would be a great fight.


    And for the people saying Golovkin shouldn't go up. Well, he doesn't have to obviously as he's not obligated to do so. But, if he did it would do more for his legacy than if he didn't.


    What's beating a blown up welterweight gonna do for his career? He would beat Cotto easy.

    Sugar Ray Robinson went upto light heavy and lost due to dehydration problems. He retired on his stool.


    I mean what happens if the fighter can take his punch? Murray said his power wasn't as good as advertised but he hit very hard. I don't buy he hits harder than top heavyweights at all. If he did then he'd have laid Murray out early.


    Murray had rounds where he had positives where he was making it harder for Golovkin. Murray does not have big power but he is durable.





    It will take a top fighter to beat Golovkin but beating Cotto would mean nothing.


    I mean he could fight Cotto if Cotto would ever get in the ring with him and beat him and then move up. Or unify and then move up. Maybe that's the plan down the line.
     
  2. Robney

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    yes. it adds the full WBC and the IBF titles to his collection.
    It also makes him the linear champion wich is a point some people start counting him as an actual champion.

    When you just look at Cotto who is a big name but no MW, and Lemieux who is a poor/drunk/homeless man's version of Golovkin it's not adding too much. But they are adding to him legacy still.

    People keep boosting Hopkins' reign at MW and his record, while he was fighting in a weak era. He can move up after breaking the old man's record (wich would certainly take him into the HOF) and be still only 35 doing it.
     
  3. kirk

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    Fans are usually short sighted. Lucky for the fighters their managements not.

    If it was up to the fans, Hopkins would have moved up after fighting robert allen for the whopping third time while waiting for his breakthrough.

    Golovkin has the rare chance to match Hopkins reign and truly carve his name into the history books of the sport by ruling middleweight with an iron fist. Sure beats going to a division he doesn't belong to become a win some lose fighter that should have stayed at 160.

    I dont see whats hard for people to understand that Golovkin ***is a middleweight****

    You guys are so used to seeing fighters who starve themselves to make weight jump into divisions they should already be at that you think it should be the status quo in boxing that fighters move up.

    A 33 year old who barely weighs 168 a month away from his fights and who relies on his physicality to win fights would be stupid to go into a division where hes the small man giving up his strengths.

    Now that froch has declined the fight the only person at the weight that makes more sense the fights with cotto / canelo is ward... one guy in an entire division. 168 isnt the legacy enhancer you're making it out to be.

    Some guys are made for one division. Hopkins is bigger than G and he didnt move up til he was 40 and lost twice in a row, but more importantly because he couldn't make the weight anymore effectively. Which is why every smart fighter moves up.


    Also, for every 'you' that says the belts dont matter, theres a person talking about how Golovkin hasnt even unified his own division yet and using that against his legacy.

    Golovkin is doing just as he should do.... continue trying to unify his division, rule it with an iron fist, and move up only when hes having trouble making the weight.
     
  4. kirk

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    And that you think being a lineal middleweight champion is meaningless, says something.

    Hopkins ~ Taylor ~ Pavlik ~ Martinez ~ Cotto

    All trinkets aside, that is the middleweight lineage.

    Golovkin deserves to get his name in the history books in with that lineage.
     
  5. Ol' Bub

    Ol' Bub Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't have a HoF vote, so IDGAF about a fighter's legacy.
    I'd like to see GGG fight Lemieux, Cotto-Canelo winner and Lee-Saunders winner.
    All divisions should be unified when it's possible imo
    None of those beltholders/potential beltholders are with Run-N-Hide promotions, so they are available to fight on HBO.
     
  6. Jim Jeffries

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    I don't care about the hall of fame. A legacy fight doesn't mean it has to be attached to the hall of fame.


    Robinson went up from welter and he's only an inch with lifts taller than Golovkin and has a skinnier frame.

    This is new school stuff. No catchweights no bull****. If Golovkin is any good fight the man at 168 where there's another top fighter on his level or better waiting for him.


    The Daniel Geales of this world don't cut it. He'll be remembered in the end for a guy who fought no big names and feasted on b class opposition at the end of his career.


    All the alphabet belts don't mean nothing. One belt meant something where they had to fight mandatories and fight the no 1 contenders. It means nothing these days with all the ducking non stop and excuse making.


    He wants to fight Floyd the smaller man. What difference is that when Ward wants to fight a guy 8 pounds lower?


    The 8 pounds wieght difference won't mean nothing. He fought Dirrell and Bute in the ams naturally bigger men.


    Cotto is a blown up welter and Lemieux prolly has a glass chin who has a bit of power.


    He'll end his career with perhaps an Canelo Alvarez on his resume and Cotto. The rest will be fillers like Stevens...etc...


    Unless he goes up....
     
  7. Jim Jeffries

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    I just want to see him fight someone who has a chance of beating him.


    The guys he fights have no chance of winning. 160 and 154 are feast divisions.


    He needs to move up where the better fighters are.
     
  8. Xelloss

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    Presuming that GGG beats Lemieux, Cotto, Canelo, and Lee easily is not legacy. Technically its just hype. Hype that I personally buy into, but hype nonetheless.

    Collecting multiple trinkets to become Undisputed Champ, beating the lineal guy or forcing him to flee the division and establishing your own lineage via collecting said trinkets and beating anyone who dares you fight you - that's legacy.

    So yes, beating Cotto and DL adds to his legacy. Because assuming he would do it as a given, isn't history, its just hype.
     
  9. Ol' Bub

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    "IF" lol
    The fact that you say he needs to move up in weight(even though he's a natural MW) says that he IS a good fighter...not "IF" he is a good fighter. It shouldn't even be a question to you whether or not GGG is good.
    You are telling everyone how good you think he is by suggesting that he has to move up:rofl
    Get your argument straightened out.
    Maybe something like: "GGG is too good so I think he should move up":lol:
     
  10. Maggo

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    Cotto is runnimg fast from GGG so there won't be a fight beteen them and Cotto knows best why :deal

    Lemieux isn't that big of a Name right now, but one of the best available opponents and it would give GGG the IBF belt to his collection.
     
  11. Jim Jeffries

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    If he wants to be known as a great fighter fight the best not b level opponents or blown up welters.


    He's feasted on nobodies so far.


    If he doesn't move up at the end of his career he can say he fought Cotto and Lemiuex i guess. Unless someone else comes along.


    There's no Nigel Benns for him to fight there. No real point in him staying much longer at middleweight.
     
  12. Jim Jeffries

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    So do you want him to feast on b level opposition for the rest of his career?



    When it's all said and done they'll say he fought nobody.



    Look at all the ATG's they fought other ATG's. Where's the Leonards to the Haglers, Where's the Durans on his record. Where's a fighter who can push him to his limit to show how really good he actually is?


    Only at 168 you will have fighters who will give him trouble and who have the chance of beating him.


    No one at 160 can beat him.


    And he fought Bute and Dirrell who are naturally bigger men than him in the ams.


    8 pounds is nothing it's just pussies who make excuses up.
     
  13. Money&Manny

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    So...what would be the difference between him fighting Lemieux at middleweight and fighting Degale at 168?

    Not a fucking thing.
     
  14. Money&Manny

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    So...what would be the difference between him fighting Lemieux at middleweight and fighting Degale at 168?
    Not a fucking thing.
     
  15. Jim Jeffries

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    DeGale is taller and a much better boxer than Lemieux?


    Also an Olympic Gold Medalist.


    Aslo has a better resume than Lemiuex.



    He also could beat Golovikin and is tricky and an awkward customer.