Does Beterbiev have the time and opportunities..

Correction, 100% even when he hasn’t been in training camp and he has a broken hand.

 

I don’t know, Beterbiev is the only guy I know of who dropped Usyk in the amateurs (and multiple times). That was Beterbiev weighing 83kg fighting against heavyweights (91kg). I mean Joshua couldn’t put a dent in Usyk so I think Beterbiev’s crushing power and pressure would overwhelm pro heavyweights as well. Beterbiev has never been a one punch guy, all his stoppages in the amateurs were the same as in the pro game - he’s just freakishly strong and relentless, he walks through everyone and they submit eventually. It’s really more about his relentless strength than his power.

 

What is our criteria for top ten? Because head to head Beterbiev stands well above anyone from the history of the weight division. Boxers schedules are different, so do we factor in all the old timers losses? Do we factor in their sometimes laughable technique and athleticism? How do we compare legacies when you have whole eras of ‘atgs’ who wouldn’t be anything more than journeymen (at best) if they were teleported to today? You are only ever as good as your competition. Beterbiev is a freak in every sense of the word, and he is the single guy we can list who has a 100% knockout ratio while fighting at the world level almost from the get-go. I have a feeling that if Beterbiev had 20 extra knockout wins on his record against nobodies then people would be talking about him very differently. It’s wild how autistic and influenced by numbers people can be

 

So he has other ATG's on his resume? No, he doesn't have enough good wins to be the greatest LHW.

 

Sorry. But no. Not the best at LHW. Who has he beat that makes him the best? Dominate, yes. As I said, I can see an argument for him, but not in my opinion.

 

Would have liked to of have seen him try his hand out at CW instead. If he beats Bivol then there is nothing left for him to achieve at LHW other than more defenses against mediocre competition. If he goes up to CW and cleans house there that's a serious boost to his resume and legacy.

 

I go along with this idea. Beats Bivol, then wins all or many of the CW belts. He has to get to at least 25 fights under his belt, come on we're comparing him to ATG's with 75-100 fights.

 

Saad's resume did not stop him from getting smashed by Qawi.

Saad had poor defense and he was easy to hit. Yaqui Lopez was lighting him up. Beterbiev would batter Saad.

 

ATGs with 75-100 fights fought a lot of cans.

 

No. We are talking about light heavyweight, an Original Eight weight class, with arguably upwards of a dozen representatives on a well-researched all-time p4p top 50 list (and three at least in a top 15).

The bar, needless to say, is high. Not really his fault but there's nobody that gets him there on the landscape (it would need to be multiple hot-ticket somebodies really), and he isn't young enough to await the next batch of currently unknown really good prospects.

 

Briedis did.

 

Holyfield has no ATG CWs on his resume. Briedis is closer to an ATG CW than anybody on Holyfield's CW resume, by far. Briedis beat Dorticos, Glowacki, Huck and Perez. Nobody that Holyfield beat has a better CW resume.

That's not to say that you need ATG wins at a weight to be ranked above someone who does.