Does Beterbiev have the time and opportunities..

Very true about the relentless strength, he overwhelms opponents with constant power punching but it would be harder to do the same against some 6ft6 260lb monsters.

Yes he hurt Usyk a few times with body shots and floored him once or twice when they fought in the Ams. Usyk was the more skilled fighter but AB hurt him pretty good! Didn’t KO him but yes you’re correct, his power against the bigger Usyk was plain to see.

And tbh I could also see a Heavyweight professional Beterbiev hurting Usyk again, but again, not KOing him.

But I take your point…his power would certainly carry against certain sized HWs. But I just don’t believe his LHW KO percentage could possibly be replicated especially against some of those monster sized titans. I could see some stoppages though against some bigger contenders.

You guys are slowly convincing me though, keep trying…but I’m not there yet!

 

H2H i agree. Totally different story.
wait no. you're saying he destroys Roy Jones, Spinks, Charles? you must be special kind of fanboy

 

And lost to Opetaia.

 

Again, based on what? However I agree it isn't fair to compare eras, because it's unfair to modern boxers.

I don't know about rummy but mine is this, the fighters you beat at and near their prime, and your career acheivements. what does Beterbiev have that makes him better than 90% of recognised atgs in this regard?

When you fight at a high pace schedule at the world class level like Greb or Armstrong you will drop some, that's just batting average, but your point is also inaccurate because most of those losses are usually past prime losses.

Proof that someone like Charles and Moore would be journeymen today? Are you even aware of the careers they had? Since when does KO ratio make a good fighter?

If he knocks out the same level if comp then no.

Like KO ratios, W/L ratio, and gym athleticism?

 

Out of curiosity, who are the 3 x LHWs definitely in your top 15 pfp all time? Ezzard Charles is a given. Archie Moore is in contention, but not a given, imo. I'm then left with it potentially being between 4 x fighters who weren't most well known as LHWs, but who did technically contest fights at LHW - Greb (actually my #2 all time at LHW, his win resume in fights contested between 165-179lbs is insane), Fitzsimmons, Walker and Langford.

 

John Henry Lewis being the most obvious omission from your otherwise fine list.

 

Both of whom had a better career than Bert. or Bivol so far. Beterbiev got Kd by two non-notables with single punches landing, if you want to make a comparison.

 

The Kraken has been released!

 

He has tons of talent and not a lot of talented opponents other than Bivol at 175.

Bad timing for poor AB.
Great boxer and one of the most deadly punchers around today.

 

Oh yes...that ATG John Henry Lewis(!)

List his achievements on here please

 

Yaqui Lopez never won a title.

Qawi did not have a resume when he beat Saad. Beterbiev is a decorated amateur as opposed to Qawi. Qawi needed more fights to get a hang of things.

 

Briedis is over 37 and had plenty of ringrust. He still came back stronger in the second half.

Your argument could be used against many of olden greats.

 

Sure.

Allowing for non-title fights up to 180lbs, his LHW record was 50-0-3.

He was LHW champ, in the days of just 1 champ, for 4 years, going 6-0 in lineal LHW title fights.

He had 2 wins over Maxie Rosenbloom, who most historians consider a top 20 all time LHW. He also beat the brilliant Tiger Jack Fox, Al Gainer x 2, Tony Shucco x 2, Bob Olin x 3, Bob Godwin, Jock McAvoy, Len Harvey, Lou Scozza and Fred Lenhart.

John Henry Lewis is a lock for any credible, well researched, all time LHW top 10.

 

....and Beterbiev isn't?

I think you need to renew your subscription for your rose tinted glasses dude.

 

Beterviev is a brilliant LHW. I usually don't rank active fighters on all time lists. I suspect Beterbiev has a bit of work to do to rank top 10 all time at LHW from an achievements and historically quality win resume perspective. He has an argument to be there from a H2H perspective, though.

If your question on John Henry Lewis is anything to go by, I suspect the difference behind our views, isnt so much about how we view Beterviev, but rather about the level of research we have done on the best LHWs in all previous eras. Out of interest, and to afford you the chance to prove me wrong on that count, what's your all time top 10 at LHW?